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Posux
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08-12-17 11:42 AM - Post#1702804    

So how is that going?

Baldridge
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08-12-17 12:35 PM - Post#1702807    

This is just the beginning. There are tons of guys in South Jersey with Don't Tread On Me and Confederate flags. They feel emboldened since Trump was elected....

David Duke is in Virginia today and said they are fulfilling Trumps promise of "taking our country back"...

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08-12-17 12:53 PM - Post#1702808    

It's true, Obama damaged race relations in this country for decades to come. You can tell one group of people they are the cause of the world's ills for only so long until you stir up emotions - many of them ugly and counterproductive - from that group.

There's nothing wrong with being proud of being white and being American. Self-loathing types like Baldridge and Posux probably disagree. It's when that pride for your heritage turns to hatred towards others that it takes a wrong turn.

I have as much disdain for Neo-Nazi groups as I do BLM. They are both vile and pointless. As it is, FAR more white people denounce neo-Nazis than blacks denounce BLM.
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08-12-17 04:58 PM - Post#1702817    

It's shocking to see how many people, on both sides, that had helmets on. I'm sorry but if you're wearing helmet at a protest, you're looking for a violent confrontation...

And now a fucking police helicopter just crashed there. This is an ugly day for America...
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08-12-17 05:08 PM - Post#1702819    

  • Baldridge Said:
It's shocking to see how many people, on both sides, that had helmets on. I'm sorry but if you're wearing helmet at a protest, you're looking for a violent confrontation...

And now a fucking police helicopter just crashed there. This is an ugly day for America...



Agreed. The people who go to these events to shout out the other side have a lot more in common with their foes than they do anyone else.

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08-12-17 05:52 PM - Post#1702820    

Exactly. Most (not all) people who attend political rallies or protests, either to support or oppose the message, are just there to cause mischief and shake their fists at the sky. These people have way too much time on their hands and are looking for trouble.
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08-12-17 06:25 PM - Post#1702823    

Never been better. That's what I'm hearing and what everyone is saying.
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08-12-17 06:36 PM - Post#1702824    

The far right and the far left have three things in common.

They are both reprehensible, violent and anti-Semitic.
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08-12-17 07:08 PM - Post#1702825    

I have never protested a thing in my life.

The funny part is I imagined Badlands when I saw photos of those Polo Shirt wearing geeks with tiki torches.

Proud to be white? Are you insane? What did you do to become white?

Proud to be American is cool with me. Proud of your country of origin, sure.

Badlands is blaming Obama for white nationalism. This is the state we are in.

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08-12-17 07:34 PM - Post#1702827    

The fact that we had a black president for eight years and race relations are getting worse and worse is baffling, to me. I'd blame Trump for some of this, but I'd also blame BLM and some of the other riots and bullshit for Trump's rise and the fact that most Americans don't subscribe to that kind of shit.

-PR

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08-12-17 07:36 PM - Post#1702828    

  • Posux Said:
So how is that going?



I can't believe Trump hasn't fixed race relations in his first six months.

I really can't believe that Obama made it worse, over eight years. Just a complete opportunity for leadership lost.

-PR

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08-12-17 07:52 PM - Post#1702829    

You are even more predictable than me. Where is your spine? Are you following any of the police corruption stories lately? Again, cops have my support all the way but the corruption and brutality cannot be ignored. You act like black people just enjoy rioting.

Obama is an incredible man with high morals and a good family. An outstanding American yet he is imperfect. How you blame him for this and. It closet racist white people who now have a platform is beyond me.

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08-12-17 08:36 PM - Post#1702830    

  • PuckRogue Said:
The fact that we had a black president for eight years and race relations are getting worse and worse is baffling, to me. I'd blame Trump for some of this, but I'd also blame BLM and some of the other riots and bullshit for Trump's rise and the fact that most Americans don't subscribe to that kind of shit.

-PR



You're blaming BLM for today's events?....What's the bio on that 20 year old punk who plowed his car into that group today?...

Obama didn't make race relations better but don't pretend that Trumps rhetoric over the last two years hasn't made things worse....

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08-12-17 08:48 PM - Post#1702831    

Why does it have to be left to the president to fix race relations? Do it yourselves.

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08-12-17 08:51 PM - Post#1702832    

  • Kanrok Said:
The far right and the far left have three things in common.

They are both reprehensible, violent and anti-Semitic.



Agreed.....

The only problem is that a couple of them are in White House....
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08-12-17 09:14 PM - Post#1702833    

  • Posux Said:
So how is that going?



The KKK retards showed up ready for a fight, and again local PD had ZERO idea how to control it.


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08-12-17 09:20 PM - Post#1702834    

  • HEAVYWEIGHT Said:
  • Posux Said:
So how is that going?



The KKK retards showed up ready for a fight, and again local PD had ZERO idea how to control it.






That's also a good point. Given what happened the night before, the police seemed unprepared...
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08-12-17 10:13 PM - Post#1702836    

  • HEAVYWEIGHT Said:
  • Posux Said:
So how is that going?



The KKK retards showed up ready for a fight, and again local PD had ZERO idea how to control it.






That's also a good point. Given what happened the night before, the police seemed unprepared...
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08-13-17 01:58 AM - Post#1702837    

  • Posux Said:
You are even more predictable than me. Where is your spine? Are you following any of the police corruption stories lately? Again, cops have my support all the way but the corruption and brutality cannot be ignored. You act like black people just enjoy rioting.

Obama is an incredible man with high morals and a good family. An outstanding American yet he is imperfect. How you blame him for this and. It closet racist white people who now have a platform is beyond me.



You can't read? I said that race relations got worse under Obama. A black president. How the fuck is that possible?

I didn't blame him for anything going on over the last two days.

The topic wasn't specifically about anything going on now, it was about "race relations".

One of the specific reasons that HRC isn't president is because AA's didn't show up at the polls like they did for Barry and a lot of that has to be hopelessness. What got better for them under a best-case-scenario?

One of the specific reasons that Trump is president is that people were sick and tired of riots and BLM and all their bullshit.

Cops may not be helping, but cops are not the fucking problem in the inner cities.

Antifa has been pulling this bullshit for months, now...where was your post about them?

Hatred begets hatred. The media has everyone whipped up into a fury and the very conscious of the nation is suffering for it.

Do I think Trump and some of his rhetoric is responsible for these recent events? Yes. Do I think he's to blame for shitty race relations and a feeling of hopelessness? Hell no.

People need to stop with the fucking hate. On every side. Stop with the anger with everything Trump does.

A local news station recently posted a story about how Trump was calling for a State of Emergency for opiod abuse...and people were fucking criticizing him for it. What. The. Fuck.

-PR

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08-13-17 02:04 AM - Post#1702838    

  • Baldridge Said:
  • PuckRogue Said:
The fact that we had a black president for eight years and race relations are getting worse and worse is baffling, to me. I'd blame Trump for some of this, but I'd also blame BLM and some of the other riots and bullshit for Trump's rise and the fact that most Americans don't subscribe to that kind of shit.

-PR



You're blaming BLM for today's events?....What's the bio on that 20 year old punk who plowed his car into that group today?...

Obama didn't make race relations better but don't pretend that Trumps rhetoric over the last two years hasn't made things worse....





I'm blaming other race riots for the rise of Trump and then the recent bullshit.

-PR

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08-13-17 02:05 AM - Post#1702839    

  • Baldridge Said:
  • Kanrok Said:
The far right and the far left have three things in common.

They are both reprehensible, violent and anti-Semitic.



Agreed.....

The only problem is that a couple of them are in White House....



Like who?

-PR

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08-13-17 02:09 AM - Post#1702840    

  • HEAVYWEIGHT Said:
  • Posux Said:
So how is that going?



The KKK retards showed up ready for a fight, and again local PD had ZERO idea how to control it.





You can't reason with hate-filled idiots in a mob situation.

What could they have done? They're outnumbered. You can't arrest people for maybe doing something tomorrow.

This is where we slip right into limiting the rights of idiots because they're idiots, which isn't what the country is about.

-PR

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08-13-17 10:53 AM - Post#1702844    

  • PuckRogue Said:
You can't read? I said that race relations got worse under Obama. A black president. How the fuck is that possible?

I didn't blame him for anything going on over the last two days.

The topic wasn't specifically about anything going on now, it was about "race relations".

One of the specific reasons that HRC isn't president is because AA's didn't show up at the polls like they did for Barry and a lot of that has to be hopelessness. What got better for them under a best-case-scenario?

One of the specific reasons that Trump is president is that people were sick and tired of riots and BLM and all their bullshit.

Cops may not be helping, but cops are not the fucking problem in the inner cities.

Antifa has been pulling this bullshit for months, now...where was your post about them?

Hatred begets hatred. The media has everyone whipped up into a fury and the very conscious of the nation is suffering for it.

Do I think Trump and some of his rhetoric is responsible for these recent events? Yes. Do I think he's to blame for shitty race relations and a feeling of hopelessness? Hell no.

People need to stop with the fucking hate. On every side. Stop with the anger with everything Trump does.

A local news station recently posted a story about how Trump was calling for a State of Emergency for opiod abuse...and people were fucking criticizing him for it. What. The. Fuck.

-PR


Excellent post. When Po gets in his "I want to fight the world" moods, there's no reasoning with him. He's a self-loathing, very unhappy person. You were good to try to explain reason to him.
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08-13-17 11:16 AM - Post#1702846    

I think Po is taking the words of some of his friends to heart. While I certainly can't criticize that, I don't agree that cops are the problem.

-PR

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08-13-17 11:45 AM - Post#1702848    

Badlands, what do I personally gain for standing up for what is right? I have tons of cops in my family. I also have lots of liberals. It's a good mix.

But none of you ever talk about the insane levels of corruption and brutality we've seen in this new social media era. Maybe there was something to the inner city's discontent? Just maybe?

You've quick to jump and criticize liberal SJWs, though.

Always one-sided between you two.

I don't feel white guilt. I feel personal guilt for some of the things I have personally done in my life. I hope I am making up for some if it these days.


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08-13-17 12:03 PM - Post#1702849    

Who has suggested you NOT stand up for what you believe is right? Heck, keep pointing out the corruption and bad deeds by police - I support rooting out those bad apples as much as you do.

If more of your posts were like the one above, and less calling people you disagree with Nazis, you'd be taken a little more seriously around here.

Whatever you feel guilty about, and whatever steps you are taking to atone for your sins, is between you and your creator. Just don't bring that angry nonsense here and try to demonize everyone you disagree with. It's sophomoric.
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08-13-17 12:52 PM - Post#1702851    

  • PuckRogue Said:
  • HEAVYWEIGHT Said:
  • Posux Said:
So how is that going?



The KKK retards showed up ready for a fight, and again local PD had ZERO idea how to control it.





You can't reason with hate-filled idiots in a mob situation.

What could they have done? They're outnumbered. You can't arrest people for maybe doing something tomorrow.

This is where we slip right into limiting the rights of idiots because they're idiots, which isn't what the country is about.

-PR




In respect to manpower, if the KKK is showing up, (black lives matter as well) all cities should be ready to have a national guard presence on had, it is not going to get any better.

All Guard units have a short call list, and can get the bodies really fast for such a situation.

You do have a good point on rights, but local authorities need to have a plan to get enough bodies onsite, to help with keeping the peace.

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08-13-17 01:08 PM - Post#1702852    

White nationalists, KKK, Antifa, BLM, and Muslim brotherhood can all get together and beat the hell out of each other.

If you aren't a part of one of those extremist organizations, stay far away.

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08-13-17 01:17 PM - Post#1702854    

  • Badlands92 Said:
Who has suggested you NOT stand up for what you believe is right? Heck, keep pointing out the corruption and bad deeds by police - I support rooting out those bad apples as much as you do.

If more of your posts were like the one above, and less calling people you disagree with Nazis, you'd be taken a little more seriously around here.

Whatever you feel guilty about, and whatever steps you are taking to atone for your sins, is between you and your creator. Just don't bring that angry nonsense here and try to demonize everyone you disagree with. It's sophomoric.



I hear you but it angers me that people don't realize their hypocritical ways. Especially you. I never see you commenting on police corruption yet you hate it and want it stopped. Why?

It took me prodding you to denounce OReilly yet you are so quick to denounce many others on the left.

Don't you have any self-awareness about this?

I don't protest. I hate violent protestors whether they are black or white. I hate Pelosi as much as I hate Ryan. I cringed voting for Hillary.

I donate my time and money to cop and vets groups. Love our military.

Getting any of this?

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08-13-17 02:44 PM - Post#1702857    

  • HEAVYWEIGHT Said:
  • PuckRogue Said:
  • HEAVYWEIGHT Said:
  • Posux Said:
So how is that going?



The KKK retards showed up ready for a fight, and again local PD had ZERO idea how to control it.





You can't reason with hate-filled idiots in a mob situation.

What could they have done? They're outnumbered. You can't arrest people for maybe doing something tomorrow.

This is where we slip right into limiting the rights of idiots because they're idiots, which isn't what the country is about.

-PR




In respect to manpower, if the KKK is showing up, (black lives matter as well) all cities should be ready to have a national guard presence on had, it is not going to get any better.

All Guard units have a short call list, and can get the bodies really fast for such a situation.

You do have a good point on rights, but local authorities need to have a plan to get enough bodies onsite, to help with keeping the peace.




I totally agree, but get the feeling that throwing the NG in there is a huge escalation of possible violence. I'm sure that's why that's not common.

-PR

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08-13-17 02:49 PM - Post#1702858    

Po,

Surely you understand that your constant criticisms of the right may only mirror those of the majority here.

Outside of Stevie, ovenrat and sometimes Heavy, we don't have many "foaming at the mouth" right wingers here.

This isn't a women's tennis message board. Most of the guys here are going to be conservative types and, yes, you're going to get a lot of the same opinions.

I'm pretty sure that the only thing we disagree on is that police "corruption" that drastically effects 1 out of every 10,000,000 officer/citizen interactions is some kind of rampant plague. I just don't see it and I'm sure it better than it's ever been. This kind of thing will never be perfect when dealing with humanity.

-PR

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08-13-17 03:11 PM - Post#1702861    

CNN- huffingpuffingcompost headlines:

THREE DEAD AT WHITE RACIST RALLY IN NC. (perfect example of yellow journalism)

Two donald trump supporters wearing MAGA hats, used a military rocket launcher to shoot down a police helicopter KILLING TWO.

unnamed sources witnessed a black presidential limousine pull up to the crowd and pull out something from the trunk. As the crowd of KKK, nazi and REPUBLICAN voters moved away, a man with a MAGA hat fired the rocket launcher striking the heli, in the engine, causing it to crash in a violent explosion.

As cameras moved to the right, you could see the fox news camera crew jumping and cheering the crash, and host Sean Hannity was there shaking hands with the culprits.

Where is rev Jackson, when YOU NEED HIM, more at 6- CNN.




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08-13-17 03:56 PM - Post#1702863    

  • Posux Said:

I hear you but it angers me that people don't realize their hypocritical ways. Especially you. I never see you commenting on police corruption yet you hate it and want it stopped. Why?

It took me prodding you to denounce OReilly yet you are so quick to denounce many others on the left.

Don't you have any self-awareness about this?

I don't protest. I hate violent protestors whether they are black or white. I hate Pelosi as much as I hate Ryan. I cringed voting for Hillary.

I donate my time and money to cop and vets groups. Love our military.

Getting any of this?



The problem is that everyone has to denounce people on your watch. You have this mindset that no one can criticize Person A if they haven't already criticized Person B. In theory I get what you are saying, but it's a flawed logic. It falls into the ugly world of "whataboutisms".

I'm a pretty logical and rational person, and find these neo-Nazis and white supremacists detestable. The majority of prominent conservative figures - social media personalities, politicians, authors, etc - have come out with strong statements condemning the mess in VA. Trump should have condemned the white nationalist movement by name (it still wouldn't have satisfied the rabid left).

Here's why I feel strongly proud of being conservative: when 200-300 racist white assholes come together, 90% of the right strongly denounces them.

When anti-Semites like Keith Ellison, or pro-Sharia Linda Sarsour, or racist BLM or violent Antifa do their thing, the left not only doesn't denounce, they embrace them. Identity politics is a disgusting, dishonest and vile business. There are some bad apples on the right, but the whole left bushel is rotten to the fucking core. How more people don't see (aka admit) that is beyond me.
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08-13-17 03:58 PM - Post#1702864    

  • Peatycap Said:
White nationalists, KKK, Antifa, BLM, and Muslim brotherhood can all get together and beat the hell out of each other.

If you aren't a part of one of those extremist organizations, stay far away.



If we can protect the innocent, I would love to see the nazis and the communists fight each other on pay for view.

Win-win!
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08-13-17 04:52 PM - Post#1702867    

I actually feel bad for the police in these situations. It's a no win....

Seattle is about to blow...
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08-14-17 12:33 PM - Post#1702888    

Anyone find it funny that the Anti-Fascists are Fascist?

The Press never called Obama out on this and didn't demand that he call incidents Terrorism that we're a lot more egregious than this.
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08-14-17 12:44 PM - Post#1702890    

I always thought that the "Obama won't call out radical Islam" or "Obama won't call out BLM" arguments were stupid, as is this garbage with Trump.

There's a Presidential (and common sense) playbook somewhere that says "fanning the flames of hatred only begets more hatred", so you decry the event, not the perpetrators.

While I do agree that some of Trump's rhetoric has emboldened these assholes, I vehemently disagree with all of those who I've recently seen suggest that this is a resurgence of the Nazi political party...

This is 200 angry, stupid assholes who have been doing these rallies at least every year since forever. The difference with this event is that the media gave it full attention based on their desire to blame Trump for it.

There are literally people on Twitter and FB who are afraid that this is the next big thing and saying shit like "we defeated you once..." and bringing up gas chambers. These aren't Nazis with political pull and an army, these guys have no more power than the KKK or La Raza or the Black Panthers. They're just angry, stupid assholes that 99% of Americans would never support in any way.

-PR

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08-14-17 01:00 PM - Post#1702892    

  • PuckRogue Said:
I always thought that the "Obama won't call out radical Islam" or "Obama won't call out BLM" arguments were stupid, as is this garbage with Trump.

There's a Presidential (and common sense) playbook somewhere that says "fanning the flames of hatred only begets more hatred", so you decry the event, not the perpetrators.

While I do agree that some of Trump's rhetoric has emboldened these assholes, I vehemently disagree with all of those who I've recently seen suggest that this is a resurgence of the Nazi political party...

This is 200 angry, stupid assholes who have been doing these rallies at least every year since forever. The difference with this event is that the media gave it full attention based on their desire to blame Trump for it.

There are literally people on Twitter and FB who are afraid that this is the next big thing and saying shit like "we defeated you once..." and bringing up gas chambers. These aren't Nazis with political pull and an army, these guys have no more power than the KKK or La Raza or the Black Panthers. They're just angry, stupid assholes that 99% of Americans would never support in any way.

-PR



I tend to agree with most of this. I do have a little concern that those 200 angry, stupid assholes seem to be becoming a larger and more open fixture at all conservative rallies (we had 70 year old women doing the hell Hitler salute at recent trump rallies here).

Trump's response was less definitive than I would have liked to have seen, and there was way too much spin and deflect from the conservatives in my social sphere (you probably saw my FB feed), but overall I was really impressed with how some of the right spoke out. I don't often like any thing Ted Cruz does, but this time he nailed it, as did many others.

All that said, those folks who required Obama to say "islamic terrorism" rather than "terrorism" should require Trump to say "white supremacists". I'm sticking with "Christian terrorism".... but only cuz it drives my trolly conservative buddies nuts.
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08-14-17 01:23 PM - Post#1702893    

Trump names KKK, white nationalists, etc. Doesn't name Antifa, BLM, etc.

Left's response... too late.

My take... late... but he did it and gives a foundation to move forward. Better than Obama who wouldn't say radical Islamic terrorism and Hillary who supported BLMs.

Sessions doing what's right too.


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08-14-17 01:28 PM - Post#1702894    

You mean like denouncing “the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.”?

You want to compare this to say the Ft Hood shooting and Obama's & the Press response?

Both fringe groups are shitbags, but to try ans claim that the Press handling of these incidents are anything similar, is disingenuous at best.
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08-14-17 01:29 PM - Post#1702895    


So Donald Trump shows up 2 days late to the party. TODAY he finally calls it like it is, well as his handlers have told him to read the teleprompter, but why couldn't he have done that on Saturday?

Now I know he signed a bill Saturday in regards to the VA and that's awesome however, he had 2 opportunities to reply to the media asking him to denounce these Nazi fucks and he ignored it.

Also, why was it that during his speech Saturday when all the violence was happening, why the fuck did he have to go and say "how great the economy is doing and unemployment is at all time low?" Is he really that narcissistic that he needs to praise himself even during a domestic terrorist conflict like we had on Saturday?

And lastly, when will he stand in front of the media and answer questions? He gives his speech/talk and runs away and doesn't answer a single question.

OK sorry for the rant. As you can see, in all honesty, I'm not a big politics guy. So when you reply to my questions/comments go gentle. Hike fucked me up years ago and I'm still healing from it.
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08-14-17 01:31 PM - Post#1702896    

  • PuckRogue Said:
I always thought that the "Obama won't call out radical Islam" or "Obama won't call out BLM" arguments were stupid, as is this garbage with Trump.





Maybe/Maybe not, but the "Outrage" for ones response (or lack there of) doesn't match the other.
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08-14-17 01:33 PM - Post#1702897    

  • Johnny_Upton Said:
You mean like denouncing “the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.”?

You want to compare this to say the Ft Hood shooting and Obama's & the Press response?

Both fringe groups are shitbags, but to try ans claim that the Press handling of these incidents are anything similar, is disingenuous at best.



I don't want to compare shit. I wasn't all panty twisted over the jargon that BO used for terroirsm or which cop funerals he didn't show up for - you guys were.


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08-14-17 01:38 PM - Post#1702898    

My white privilege story for the day.

My wife and I went shopping for flooring yesterday. I gave her my wallet and she put it on her purse.

Fast forward to this morning. She and a couple of friends were walking at the local park. My wallet was still in her purse, in her car.

I drove over to the parking lot to get my wallet thinking that I had the correct key to her car.

I parked perpendicular to her car and try the doors on both sides of the car. Wrong key.

A hefty old white lady was walking past and she gave me the evil eye.

I look over to her and say "you think I'm breaking into this car, don't you?"

She says yes and walks away still looking at me.

I yell over "it's my own damn car lady!"

Bit of an over reaction, but WTF?

As a straight, white male of the middle age persuasion, I must say, the struggle is real.
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08-14-17 01:46 PM - Post#1702902    

What color was the car?
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08-14-17 01:47 PM - Post#1702903    

Which one, my wife's or mine?
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08-14-17 01:53 PM - Post#1702904    

  • foolish Said:
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You mean like denouncing “the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.”?

You want to compare this to say the Ft Hood shooting and Obama's & the Press response?

Both fringe groups are shitbags, but to try ans claim that the Press handling of these incidents are anything similar, is disingenuous at best.



I don't want to compare shit. I wasn't all panty twisted over the jargon that BO used for terroirsm or which cop funerals he didn't show up for - you guys were.





Again, you dont have to be panty twisted to note that the response in the press, etc is similar. Hence the inconsistent outrage
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08-14-17 01:56 PM - Post#1702905    

  • Gumper31 Said:

So Donald Trump shows up 2 days late to the party. TODAY he finally calls it like it is, well as his handlers have told him to read the teleprompter, but why couldn't he have done that on Saturday?

Now I know he signed a bill Saturday in regards to the VA and that's awesome however, he had 2 opportunities to reply to the media asking him to denounce these Nazi fucks and he ignored it.

Also, why was it that during his speech Saturday when all the violence was happening, why the fuck did he have to go and say "how great the economy is doing and unemployment is at all time low?" Is he really that narcissistic that he needs to praise himself even during a domestic terrorist conflict like we had on Saturday?

And lastly, when will he stand in front of the media and answer questions? He gives his speech/talk and runs away and doesn't answer a single question.

OK sorry for the rant. As you can see, in all honesty, I'm not a big politics guy. So when you reply to my questions/comments go gentle. Hike fucked me up years ago and I'm still healing from it.



The media's perception/integrity levels (Congress' too BTW) are lower than Trump's. I don't mind that he walks away. Hillary only took questions on her private jet from hand-selected media. Plus a few of those jackaloons are more so activists than reporters these days.

Agree on the lateness. Agree on lacing in other topics. His delivery has always been poor. Of course, actions speak louder than words... always have and always will.

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08-14-17 02:37 PM - Post#1702907    

  • Kanrok Said:
My white privilege story for the day.

My wife and I went shopping for flooring yesterday. I gave her my wallet and she put it on her purse.

Fast forward to this morning. She and a couple of friends were walking at the local park. My wallet was still in her purse, in her car.

I drove over to the parking lot to get my wallet thinking that I had the correct key to her car.

I parked perpendicular to her car and try the doors on both sides of the car. Wrong key.

A hefty old white lady was walking past and she gave me the evil eye.

I look over to her and say "you think I'm breaking into this car, don't you?"

She says yes and walks away still looking at me.

I yell over "it's my own damn car lady!"

Bit of an over reaction, but WTF?

As a straight, white male of the middle age persuasion, I must say, the struggle is real.



You do look pretty shady. Just sayin'

-PR

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08-14-17 02:39 PM - Post#1702908    

  • Kanrok Said:


As a straight, white male of the middle age persuasion, I must say, the struggle is real.



Middle age?...
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08-14-17 02:51 PM - Post#1702909    

  • Baldridge Said:
  • Kanrok Said:


As a straight, white male of the middle age persuasion, I must say, the struggle is real.



Middle age?...



Straight?

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08-14-17 02:53 PM - Post#1702910    

  • PuckRogue Said:
  • Kanrok Said:
My white privilege story for the day.

My wife and I went shopping for flooring yesterday. I gave her my wallet and she put it on her purse.

Fast forward to this morning. She and a couple of friends were walking at the local park. My wallet was still in her purse, in her car.

I drove over to the parking lot to get my wallet thinking that I had the correct key to her car.

I parked perpendicular to her car and try the doors on both sides of the car. Wrong key.

A hefty old white lady was walking past and she gave me the evil eye.

I look over to her and say "you think I'm breaking into this car, don't you?"

She says yes and walks away still looking at me.

I yell over "it's my own damn car lady!"

Bit of an over reaction, but WTF?

As a straight, white male of the middle age persuasion, I must say, the struggle is real.



You do look pretty shady. Just sayin'

-PR



You have a point there.

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08-14-17 03:46 PM - Post#1702912    

  • Kanrok Said:
  • Baldridge Said:
  • Kanrok Said:


As a straight, white male of the middle age persuasion, I must say, the struggle is real.



Middle age?...



Straight?






I'll give you that....

Not to be anti law enforcement but this event clearly could have gone differently if they had prepared with more resources....

But again, just like the old adage nothing good happens after midnight, nothing could possibly have gone right opposing a White Supremist group...

There is a photo that is circulating of a black police officer who was assigned to protect the White Supremist group. Must have been tough for him but by all accounts professionally did so..
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08-14-17 03:48 PM - Post#1702913    

My wife was leaving the tax collector's office today and a guy asked her to sign a petition allowing non-violent felons to vote.
She declined and the guy called her a racist.
Shit like that is why we voted Trump.
As loony as the alt-right is, the far left is no better. They'll throw out that race card any time they don't their way.
That only makes it worse for those who face real racism on a daily basis.
And here's a novel idea: want to keep your right to vote? Don't commit felonies, violent or not.

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08-14-17 03:52 PM - Post#1702914    

And by "they" I mean SJWs, the media, and politicians who stand to gain from racial tension. Not just some members of the black community.

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08-14-17 04:04 PM - Post#1702915    

  • Baldridge Said:


There is a photo that is circulating of a black police officer who was assigned to protect the White Supremist group. Must have been tough for him but by all accounts professionally did so..



The photo (if its the one I saw - dark blue uniform, shades, no hat, head down like he's sad?) was from a different rally....

I don't think its totally fair - the comparisons begin made between Ferguson's prep for BLM and Charlottesville's prep for the White power folks - but I would be interested to see if the police presence would look different had it been a black org protesting instead of a white one.
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08-14-17 04:21 PM - Post#1702917    

You have your answer already.

Look at how the press covered the Ferguson riots.

The whole "hands up - don't shoot" line is a blatant lie.

Yet the press covered it like it were the Gospel truth.
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08-14-17 04:33 PM - Post#1702919    

  • Jax Said:
My wife was leaving the tax collector's office today and a guy asked her to sign a petition allowing non-violent felons to vote.
She declined and the guy called her a racist.
Shit like that is why we voted Trump.
As loony as the alt-right is, the far left is no better. They'll throw out that race card any time they don't their way.
That only makes it worse for those who face real racism on a daily basis.
And here's a novel idea: want to keep your right to vote? Don't commit felonies, violent or not.




You voted for Trump out of spite?....

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08-14-17 04:40 PM - Post#1702920    

  • Kanrok Said:
You have your answer already.

Look at how the press covered the Ferguson riots.

The whole "hands up - don't shoot" line is a blatant lie.

Yet the press covered it like it were the Gospel truth.



Wow - I was not clear on my point at all, lol. I meant the police response. In Ferguson they had all of the heavy equipment out, the cops came ready for war. In charlottesville they came dressed to chaperone a middle school dance.

And to be clear - I'mn not saying that the cops WOULD respond differently based on race, or that Ferguson was grognto call in SWAT.... just voicing my curiousity.
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08-14-17 04:45 PM - Post#1702921    

  • foolish Said:



I don't think its totally fair - the comparisons begin made between Ferguson's prep for BLM and Charlottesville's prep for the White power folks - but I would be interested to see if the police presence would look different had it been a black org protesting instead of a white one.



False equivalency

Would there have been violence but for the Pro-FA/SJW's?
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08-14-17 04:50 PM - Post#1702922    

  • foolish Said:
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You have your answer already.

Look at how the press covered the Ferguson riots.

The whole "hands up - don't shoot" line is a blatant lie.

Yet the press covered it like it were the Gospel truth.



Wow - I was not clear on my point at all, lol. I meant the police response. In Ferguson they had all of the heavy equipment out, the cops came ready for war. In charlottesville they came dressed to chaperone a middle school dance.

And to be clear - I'mn not saying that the cops WOULD respond differently based on race, or that Ferguson was grognto call in SWAT.... just voicing my curiousity.



Yeah, I dont think anyone was calling to burn the place down if they didn't get what they wanted...
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08-14-17 05:03 PM - Post#1702923    

  • Johnny_Upton Said:
  • foolish Said:
  • Kanrok Said:
You have your answer already.

Look at how the press covered the Ferguson riots.

The whole "hands up - don't shoot" line is a blatant lie.

Yet the press covered it like it were the Gospel truth.



Wow - I was not clear on my point at all, lol. I meant the police response. In Ferguson they had all of the heavy equipment out, the cops came ready for war. In charlottesville they came dressed to chaperone a middle school dance.

And to be clear - I'mn not saying that the cops WOULD respond differently based on race, or that Ferguson was grognto call in SWAT.... just voicing my curiousity.



Yeah, I dont think anyone was calling to burn the place down if they didn't get what they wanted...




I didn't think SWAT had a brigade of Fire fighters.


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08-14-17 05:17 PM - Post#1702924    

  • Johnny_Upton Said:
  • foolish Said:



I don't think its totally fair - the comparisons begin made between Ferguson's prep for BLM and Charlottesville's prep for the White power folks - but I would be interested to see if the police presence would look different had it been a black org protesting instead of a white one.



False equivalency

Would there have been violence but for the Pro-FA/SJW's?



sorry - "Pro-FA"?


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08-14-17 05:35 PM - Post#1702925    

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There are literally people on Twitter and FB who are afraid that this is the next big thing and saying shit like "we defeated you once..."
-PR



These people are attention whores and believe very little of what they actually type on social media outlets. It's all for the "likes" and "look at meeeee".
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08-14-17 05:36 PM - Post#1702926    

Have you guys ever learned anything through the years?.. Seriously ----- The media LOVES LOVES LOVES LOVES stirring the pot at ANY chance it can on race relations decades of examples shows this and people still fall for this bullshit..


Fucking FRINGE group of maybe 100-200 people and OMG OMG seriously wake the fuck up and shut off the fucking useless TV.... The media fucking drools all over itself to try and tie Trump into a small USELESS POWERLESS group of yahoooos and people trip over themselves



Fucking joke..





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08-14-17 05:46 PM - Post#1702928    

well of course!! There is zero fun in ignoring it though. Especially when shit like this resonates with so many.

Under Obama we lost our shit over BLM and the Occupy movement - both fringe. There was also the minutemen militias and those Bundy fuckwits....

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08-14-17 06:34 PM - Post#1702929    

  • Baldridge Said:
  • Jax Said:
My wife was leaving the tax collector's office today and a guy asked her to sign a petition allowing non-violent felons to vote.
She declined and the guy called her a racist.
Shit like that is why we voted Trump.
As loony as the alt-right is, the far left is no better. They'll throw out that race card any time they don't their way.
That only makes it worse for those who face real racism on a daily basis.
And here's a novel idea: want to keep your right to vote? Don't commit felonies, violent or not.




You voted for Trump out of spite?....




Mainly because he wasn't Hillary. I didn't want to vote for either but picked who I thought was the lesser of the two evils.

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08-14-17 07:21 PM - Post#1702931    

  • foolish Said:
  • Johnny_Upton Said:
  • foolish Said:
  • Kanrok Said:
You have your answer already.

Look at how the press covered the Ferguson riots.

The whole "hands up - don't shoot" line is a blatant lie.

Yet the press covered it like it were the Gospel truth.



Wow - I was not clear on my point at all, lol. I meant the police response. In Ferguson they had all of the heavy equipment out, the cops came ready for war. In charlottesville they came dressed to chaperone a middle school dance.

And to be clear - I'mn not saying that the cops WOULD respond differently based on race, or that Ferguson was grognto call in SWAT.... just voicing my curiousity.



Yeah, I dont think anyone was calling to burn the place down if they didn't get what they wanted...




I didn't think SWAT had a brigade of Fire fighters.





You're not this dense
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08-14-17 07:22 PM - Post#1702932    

  • foolish Said:
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  • foolish Said:



I don't think its totally fair - the comparisons begin made between Ferguson's prep for BLM and Charlottesville's prep for the White power folks - but I would be interested to see if the police presence would look different had it been a black org protesting instead of a white one.



False equivalency

Would there have been violence but for the Pro-FA/SJW's?



sorry - "Pro-FA"?





They aren't Anti-FA. Maybe Anti-Anti-FA
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08-14-17 07:25 PM - Post#1702933    

  • foolish Said:


Under Obama we lost our shit over BLM and the Occupy movement - both fringe.




Racist!

And a corporatist!

Don't cha know that these are legit groups? I saw it on the news.
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08-14-17 08:23 PM - Post#1702934    

  • foolish Said:
  • Kanrok Said:
You have your answer already.

Look at how the press covered the Ferguson riots.

The whole "hands up - don't shoot" line is a blatant lie.

Yet the press covered it like it were the Gospel truth.



Wow - I was not clear on my point at all, lol. I meant the police response. In Ferguson they had all of the heavy equipment out, the cops came ready for war. In charlottesville they came dressed to chaperone a middle school dance.

And to be clear - I'mn not saying that the cops WOULD respond differently based on race, or that Ferguson was grognto call in SWAT.... just voicing my curiousity.



The violent crime rate in Ferguson is triple that of Charlottesville. The violent crime rate in the surrounding area around Ferguson is much higher as well. The might have something to do with the level of response.
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08-14-17 08:44 PM - Post#1702937    

Why aren't these White Supremist groups going after Islamic terrorists?.....Wouldn't that serve our country better?
















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08-14-17 09:19 PM - Post#1702938    

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Why aren't these White Supremist groups going after Islamic terrorists?.....Wouldn't that serve our country better?


Why bother? Wasn't it you who once pointed out that the majority of terrorists who have attacked America are not Islamic/Muslim?

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08-14-17 09:26 PM - Post#1702939    

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Why aren't these White Supremist groups going after Islamic terrorists?.....Wouldn't that serve our country better?





Why do you hate Muslims?
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08-14-17 09:29 PM - Post#1702940    

So how many inner city gun murders this weekend in the USA?

OOOPs, shuuuush don't fit the narrative.

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08-14-17 09:34 PM - Post#1702941    

  • Johnny_Upton Said:
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Why aren't these White Supremist groups going after Islamic terrorists?.....Wouldn't that serve our country better?





Why do you hate Muslims?



Damnable Islamaphobes.
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08-14-17 11:05 PM - Post#1702942    

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Why aren't these White Supremist groups going after Islamic terrorists?.....Wouldn't that serve our country better?





Why do you hate Muslims?



They promote suicide bombings, genital mutilation, the murder of gays and women etc etc etc.
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08-15-17 06:43 AM - Post#1702945    

They're probably anti union as well
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08-15-17 10:54 AM - Post#1702947    

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So Donald Trump shows up 2 days late to the party. TODAY he finally calls it like it is, well as his handlers have told him to read the teleprompter, but why couldn't he have done that on Saturday?

Now I know he signed a bill Saturday in regards to the VA and that's awesome however, he had 2 opportunities to reply to the media asking him to denounce these Nazi fucks and he ignored it.

Also, why was it that during his speech Saturday when all the violence was happening, why the fuck did he have to go and say "how great the economy is doing and unemployment is at all time low?" Is he really that narcissistic that he needs to praise himself even during a domestic terrorist conflict like we had on Saturday?

And lastly, when will he stand in front of the media and answer questions? He gives his speech/talk and runs away and doesn't answer a single question.

OK sorry for the rant. As you can see, in all honesty, I'm not a big politics guy. So when you reply to my questions/comments go gentle. Hike fucked me up years ago and I'm still healing from it.




Domestic Terrorism? LOL

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08-15-17 02:11 PM - Post#1702953    

I'm interested in following the money on these protests.

Who is funding "Unite the Right?"

Who is funding "Antifa?"

Who is funding "The New Black Panther Party?"

If I were investigating these organizations, that is where I would start.

Who benefits from these protests?
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08-15-17 02:48 PM - Post#1702954    

Kan - You may find this interesting/appalling:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-14/repor t-%E...
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08-15-17 03:09 PM - Post#1702955    

Interesting.

Can't draw any conclusions from it, but it sure seems weird.

Something about this whole "Unite the Right" thing smells bad to me.

Who is funding them?

Who, exactly, supports this nonsense?

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08-15-17 03:12 PM - Post#1702957    

Even better, from the SPLC...

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremi st-...

-PR

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08-15-17 03:19 PM - Post#1702958    

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Interesting.

Can't draw any conclusions from it, but it sure seems weird.

Something about this whole "Unite the Right" thing smells bad to me.

Who is funding them?

Who, exactly, supports this nonsense?





I think the government is so wrapped up in so much bad stuff related to the Clinton Foundation and other globalist causes, that these fringe groups are paid to promote discord and create enough of a distraction to deflect the public away from the deeper issues. And let's face it, they are all fringe groups when you look at their size and influence.

I think Trump was absolutely right with his first statement when he attributed last weekend's trouble to parties on all sides. But it was reasonably contained up until the loon decided to drive his car into the crowd. Until then, it was only morons beating up morons. The young lady's death brought this to a new dimension. I'm disappointed Trump folded to a certain extent.

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08-15-17 03:19 PM - Post#1702959    

Who writes for SPLC?

Maybe I'm numb from abstracting depositions all day, But I couldn't follow the author's prose.

I'll give it another read after a nice long run.
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08-15-17 03:46 PM - Post#1702961    

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Who writes for SPLC?

Maybe I'm numb from abstracting depositions all day, But I couldn't follow the author's prose.

I'll give it another read after a nice long run.





-PR

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08-15-17 04:01 PM - Post#1702962    

Trump press conference today was a fucking disgrace...
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08-15-17 05:29 PM - Post#1702964    

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Trump press conference today was a fucking disgrace...




But the alt=left was charging at the poor defenseless nazis with clubs!
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08-15-17 05:59 PM - Post#1702965    

The Left Playbook: we absolutely justify violence if it's what we deem a good cause.

Today's "punch a Nazi" target is an actual Nazi.

Tomorrow it may be the old lady who asks us to stop swearing in front of her granddaughter.

It's amazing what lines can get blurred when you cower and give "a cause" an inch.
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08-15-17 06:00 PM - Post#1702966    

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Trump press conference today was a fucking disgrace...



Let me fix that for you: Trump press conference today was a fucking disgrace

I will use his own words. He actually said this:

" I've condemned neo-Nazis. I have condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists, by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue, Robert E. Lee. And you look at some of the groups and you see—you know it if you are honest reporters, which in many cases you are not. But many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. So, this week it's Robert E. Lee. I noticed that Stonewall Jackson is coming down. Is it George Washington next week and is it Thomas Jefferson the week after? You really do have to ask yourself, where does it stop? But they were there to protest—excuse me. You take a look the night before. They were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee."

And later, again . . . "You had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group—excuse me. Excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name. George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down—excuse me. Are we going to take down, are we going to take down statues to George Washington?"

The "people the night before", were out with torches and swastikas chanting "Jews will not replace us" and "blood and soil," a phrase invoking the Nazi philosophy of "Blut und Boden."


What the FUCK is wrong with our President that he has to go WAY out of his way to draw moral equivalence between FUCKING NEO-NAZIS and people fighting the neo nazis??!
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08-15-17 06:03 PM - Post#1702967    

  • Badlands92 Said:

Today's "punch a Nazi" target is an actual Nazi.

Tomorrow it may be the old lady who asks us to stop swearing in front of her granddaughter.




No, you apologist. Today's targets are actual neo-Nazis. Period. End Stop.
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08-15-17 06:15 PM - Post#1702968    

  • Badlands92 Said:
The Left Playbook: we absolutely justify violence if it's what we deem a good cause.

Today's "punch a Nazi" target is an actual Nazi.

Tomorrow it may be the old lady who asks us to stop swearing in front of her granddaughter.

It's amazing what lines can get blurred when you cower and give "a cause" an inch.



Wow.
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08-15-17 06:44 PM - Post#1702969    

The absolute BEST press conference in the past century, BAR NONE.

TRUMP = MAGA!!!!!




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08-15-17 07:16 PM - Post#1702970    

  • haymaker36 Said:
  • Badlands92 Said:
The Left Playbook: we absolutely justify violence if it's what we deem a good cause.

Today's "punch a Nazi" target is an actual Nazi.

Tomorrow it may be the old lady who asks us to stop swearing in front of her granddaughter.

It's amazing what lines can get blurred when you cower and give "a cause" an inch.



Wow.



Wow indeed.

Pretty disgusting that he's right.
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08-15-17 07:22 PM - Post#1702971    

I live in california, i am hiding in my house, the white racists going to try and steal all my shit, and hurt my family!!!

TRU, just ask alt left.

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08-15-17 07:40 PM - Post#1702973    

I am having a hard time understanding how a group called "Unite the Right" would enlist (in this case) real Nazi's and white supremacists.

What benefit is there to any political party to be tied to these mouth-breathing inbred douche-nozzles?

My spidey sense is heightened.

I don't doubt for a minute that there were actual Nazis at this "rally."

I would like to know who was behind the "Unite the Right" group.

And yes, I find them reprehensible.

I also find anarchists and communists reprehensible.

As should any sensible American.

It's not a false equivalency to place blame on both sides.

It's just having good old common sense and the ability to walk and chew gum at the same time.

The whole Charlottesville "protest" seems awfully convenient and more than a little contrived.
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08-15-17 07:43 PM - Post#1702974    

  • PuckRogue Said:
  • Kanrok Said:
Who writes for SPLC?

Maybe I'm numb from abstracting depositions all day, But I couldn't follow the author's prose.

I'll give it another read after a nice long run.





-PR



LOL.

She edited the piece.
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08-15-17 07:45 PM - Post#1702975    

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/450506/donald...

Donald Trump Just Gave the Press Conference of the Alt-Right’s Dreams

by DAVID FRENCH August 15, 2017 5:55 PM

Let’s be very clear about what just happened at Donald Trump’s press conference. He gave the alt-right its greatest national media moment ever. He even called some of them “very fine people.” Don’t believe me? Watch this key statement:

(link): https://twitter.com/ABC/status/8975552675 87461121

Here’s the quote:

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Trump: [Inaudible.] You have some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group — excuse me, excuse me — I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.



To understand the significance of Trump’s words, you have to understand a bit about the alt-right. While its members certainly march with Nazis and make common cause with neo-Confederates, it views itself as something different. They’re the “intellectual” adherents to white identity politics. They believe their movement is substantially different and more serious than the Klansmen of days past. When Trump carves them away from the Nazis and distinguishes them from the neo-Confederates, he’s doing exactly what they want. He’s making them respectable. He’s making them different.

But “very fine people” don’t march with tiki torches chanting “blood and soil” or “Jews will not replace us.” The Charlottesville rally was a specific “unite the right” rally that sought to bind the alt-right together with all these other groups. The alt-right wants it both ways. They want the strength in numbers of the larger fascist right while also enjoying the credibility granted them by Breitbart, Steve Bannon, Milo, and — today — the president of the United States.

The most pernicious forms of evil always mix truth and lies. So, yes, there were kernels of truth in some of Trump’s statements. No question there were hateful, violent leftists in Charlottesville this weekend. And on the question of monuments, Trump is right to point out the lack of a limiting principle. We already know that some on the Left have their eyes set on demolishing or removing monuments and memorials that have nothing to do with the Confederacy, but all that pales in importance compared to his stubborn and angry attempts not just at moral equivalence (after all, no one on the Left committed murder this weekend) but at actually whitewashing evil.

What makes this all the more puzzling is that it is so easy to say the right thing here. Do not call anyone at a racist rally a ”very fine” person. It’s not hard to name and condemn an act of alt-right terrorism. It’s not hard to name and condemn the alt-right without equivocation. And it’s not hard to also condemn political violence on all sides. If you think Trump did those things, and sent the right message to the racists, think again. Alt-right Twitter overflowed with gratitude. Richard Spencer declared that Trump “cares about the truth,” and others complimented him for his “uncucking.” This jubilant tweet from David Duke says it all:

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David Duke @DrDavidDuke Thank you President Trump for your honesty & courage to tell the truth about #Charlottesville & condemn the leftist terrorists in BLM/Antifa



Donald Trump loves people who love him, and the vile and vicious alt-right has loved him from the beginning. Today, he loved them right back.

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08-15-17 08:11 PM - Post#1702976    

It's fascinating to see Fox hosts infighting over this. Dana Pierno and Charles Krauthamer have broken away from the right wing brainwashing/bullshit...
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08-15-17 08:12 PM - Post#1702977    

I don't really think that quoting David Duke does much for your argument.

He also lauded Keith Ellison when it was announced he was looking to chair the DNC.

Why? Because Duke believes Ellison is anti-Semitic.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/13/da...

Strange world we live in.
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08-15-17 08:14 PM - Post#1702978    

  • Baldridge Said:
It's fascinating to see Fox hosts infighting over this. Dana Pierno and Charles Krauthamer have broken away from the right wing brainwashing/bullshit...



Not so strange.

Perino is a never-Trumper and Krauthamer is his own man.
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08-15-17 08:29 PM - Post#1702980    

  • ChiBoyinLA Said:
  • Baldridge Said:
Trump press conference today was a fucking disgrace...



Let me fix that for you: Trump press conference today was a fucking disgrace

I will use his own words. He actually said this:

" I've condemned neo-Nazis. I have condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists, by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue, Robert E. Lee. And you look at some of the groups and you see—you know it if you are honest reporters, which in many cases you are not. But many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. So, this week it's Robert E. Lee. I noticed that Stonewall Jackson is coming down. Is it George Washington next week and is it Thomas Jefferson the week after? You really do have to ask yourself, where does it stop? But they were there to protest—excuse me. You take a look the night before. They were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee."

And later, again . . . "You had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group—excuse me. Excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name. George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down—excuse me. Are we going to take down, are we going to take down statues to George Washington?"

The "people the night before", were out with torches and swastikas chanting "Jews will not replace us" and "blood and soil," a phrase invoking the Nazi philosophy of "Blut und Boden."


What the FUCK is wrong with our President that he has to go WAY out of his way to draw moral equivalence between FUCKING NEO-NAZIS and people fighting the neo nazis??!



Were you there? Was everyone a hateful Nazi?

-PR

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08-15-17 08:46 PM - Post#1702981    

Chigurl, the 9 murders this weekend in shit town the KKK?

WE both know the answers code pink, WE KNOW THE TRUTH.

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08-15-17 08:59 PM - Post#1702984    

I need help here, struggling to find out if this is fake news, did Native American Indians, have slaves?

My family does not know it's history, they only know white men racist, but just need the facts.


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08-15-17 10:00 PM - Post#1702986    

  • Kanrok Said:
I am having a hard time understanding how a group called "Unite the Right" would enlist (in this case) real Nazi's and white supremacists.

What benefit is there to any political party to be tied to these mouth-breathing inbred douche-nozzles?

My spidey sense is heightened.

I don't doubt for a minute that there were actual Nazis at this "rally."

I would like to know who was behind the "Unite the Right" group.

And yes, I find them reprehensible.

I also find anarchists and communists reprehensible.

As should any sensible American.

It's not a false equivalency to place blame on both sides.

It's just having good old common sense and the ability to walk and chew gum at the same time.

The whole Charlottesville "protest" seems awfully convenient and more than a little contrived.



+1

I also have to laugh at the press driven narrative that that Anti-Anti FA were the innocent victims in all of this


Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves.

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08-15-17 10:29 PM - Post#1702988    

KKK = racist retards, and anyone who ROLLS with them is guilty.
That said, the antifa is one notch below them, running a close second, but the media has a hard time with that, since they fit THEIR AGENDA.

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08-15-17 11:31 PM - Post#1702992    

PR, did you see footage from the night before? Those were Nazis dude. Why you think different than that is beyond me.

Haymaker and Chiboy> Stockfan and Badlands


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08-15-17 11:33 PM - Post#1702993    

  • PuckRogue Said:

Were you there? Was everyone a hateful Nazi?
-PR



Are you for real?

If you attend a WHITE SUPREMACY RALLY, and choose to march alongside folks chanting nazi slogans and throwing nazi salutes, you do not get the benefit of the doubt from me.



The ideology espoused by these fucktards is anti-American. My grandfathers went to war against this shit. Tens of millions of people in Europe, including ancestors of mine, died because of this thinking. It is abhorrent, and needs to be denounced as strongly as possible and as long as necessary until it finally dies out.
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08-16-17 07:05 AM - Post#1702994    

Not fast enough
Moral distinction

Not terrible criticisms. But not that simple either. I find it interesting that sides are oversimplifying a very complex issue. Is it because of extremism/polarization? Is it because folks are incapable of having a constructive conversation? The Twitter affect?

All I know is, Trump should be saying the alt-right too... and he isn't.

On the other side, news is reported without emotion, which like Trump with racism, okays these actions...

The Lincoln Memorial, 911 Memorial, and others have already been vandalized. New York progressives want Theodore Roosevelt's statue removed... next up my agency's building name... and the Nationals bobblehead.

'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.' Other factions have sought to remove history too. You know... Nazi's burned books and ISIS topples religious history any chance they get.

I wish people could use words to help solve problems... what a lost art.

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08-16-17 07:11 AM - Post#1702995    

I agree with the sentiment that we should denounce this line of thought.

I disagree that violence is the proper method.

These knuckle-draggers actually had a permit to protest.

The ACLU, for cryin' out loud, went to court to protect their right to protest.

The best way to deal with this nonsense is to shine a light on it.

We can't pick and choose which constitutional rights we are willing to support.

I find anarchists and communists reprehensible too.

That doesn't mean I want to stop them from espousing their views.

They have a right to protest.

They don't have a right to resort to violence.
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08-16-17 07:27 AM - Post#1702996    

Good stuff Kanrok.

I'm debating (getting it in before I'm mentally drained) this a bit on social media.

Two ways to look at this... there is only one side... or this a simple topic (racism sucks) with multiple facets. I believe the latter is where discussion needs to occur. Oversimplifying it shuts down constructive conversations.

I also like that you used the word "violence." I believe that is a differentiating, observable characterization.

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08-16-17 08:16 AM - Post#1702999    

  • Baldridge Said:
Trump press conference today was a fucking disgrace...



Explain why you feel this way. We're here for you

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08-16-17 08:27 AM - Post#1703001    

  • Posux Said:
PR, did you see footage from the night before? Those were Nazis dude. Why you think different than that is beyond me.

Haymaker and Chiboy> Stockfan and Badlands





Because the media wasn't focused on just Nazis? You're seriously assuming that everyone involved was either a Nazi or a Nazi hater based on pictures from the MSM? Dude...

Looking at all of the videos of violence where people were attacking each other, it seems like it would be hard for any violence to occur if it was just Nazis in an echo chamber...

-PR

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08-16-17 08:38 AM - Post#1703002    

This is the what the thought process of people like Po bring us;

"Auction drafts are a common part of fantasy football, and ESPN's segments replicated an auction draft with a diverse slate of top professional football players," the network statement said.
"Without that context, we understand the optics could be portrayed as offensive, and we apologize."

On social media, reaction to the segment that was part of the 28-hour fantasy marathon was mixed, with many comparing the outdoor scene to a modern-day slave auction.
New York journalist Shaun King tweeted video of the auction with the message, "Apologize now for doing a sketch where you auctioned a black man off to the highest bidder."

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08-16-17 08:41 AM - Post#1703003    

  • ChiBoyinLA Said:
  • PuckRogue Said:

Were you there? Was everyone a hateful Nazi?
-PR



Are you for real?

If you attend a WHITE SUPREMACY RALLY, and choose to march alongside folks chanting nazi slogans and throwing nazi salutes, you do not get the benefit of the doubt from me.



The ideology espoused by these fucktards is anti-American. My grandfathers went to war against this shit. Tens of millions of people in Europe, including ancestors of mine, died because of this thinking. It is abhorrent, and needs to be denounced as strongly as possible and as long as necessary until it finally dies out.



So, no. You have no idea what you're talking about and are basing your opinion of Trump's words and the weekend's actions solely on what the ever-inflammatory media is feeding you. Got it.

Yes, I am fucking serious. You waxed poetic about Trump being a liar based on no knowledge whatsoever.

I don't know how many were Nazis. I don't know how many were just southern dudes who like historical statues. I know that there are pictures of Nazis. I don't know that there are pictures of statue dudes. Why? Because I wasn't fucking there because I don't fucking care about that stupid shit.

Nazis can't find violence in an echo chamber. No matter how justified as it's suddenly become now to perpetrate violence upon far right-wing nutjobs, they can't fight people who ignore them. They're nothing more than trolls looking for attention.

Get this right: Nobody ever went to war over the 1% fringe of any population. That's not how any of this works. These are not Nazis. They're racist idiots who call themselves Nazis because that's the angriest, most hateful thing they could come up with. This is not a resurgence of a political party, this is just another rally by racist morons that's been happening for decades, only...this one fed the trolls the attention they desire, so I'm sure they'll be back more often, now.

-PR


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08-16-17 08:41 AM - Post#1703004    

  • PuckRogue Said:
  • Posux Said:
PR, did you see footage from the night before? Those were Nazis dude. Why you think different than that is beyond me.

Haymaker and Chiboy> Stockfan and Badlands





Because the media wasn't focused on just Nazis? You're seriously assuming that everyone involved was either a Nazi or a Nazi hater based on pictures from the MSM? Dude...

Looking at all of the videos of violence where people were attacking each other, it seems like it would be hard for any violence to occur if it was just Nazis in an echo chamber...

-PR



So you're suggesting that some people in that march Friday night didn't know what they were involved with?....The anti-Jew chants while holding a torch wasn't a red flag for the "good" people involved to disassociate themselves?...

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08-16-17 08:46 AM - Post#1703005    

  • Kanrok Said:
I agree with the sentiment that we should denounce this line of thought.

I disagree that violence is the proper method.

These knuckle-draggers actually had a permit to protest.

The ACLU, for cryin' out loud, went to court to protect their right to protest.

The best way to deal with this nonsense is to shine a light on it.

We can't pick and choose which constitutional rights we are willing to support.

I find anarchists and communists reprehensible too.

That doesn't mean I want to stop them from espousing their views.

They have a right to protest.

They don't have a right to resort to violence.



Disagree on one thing...I would like to stop them from espousing their views, but that would make me a hypocrite and that's the one thing I just can't stand.

-PR

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08-16-17 08:49 AM - Post#1703006    

  • Baldridge Said:
  • PuckRogue Said:
  • Posux Said:
PR, did you see footage from the night before? Those were Nazis dude. Why you think different than that is beyond me.

Haymaker and Chiboy> Stockfan and Badlands





Because the media wasn't focused on just Nazis? You're seriously assuming that everyone involved was either a Nazi or a Nazi hater based on pictures from the MSM? Dude...

Looking at all of the videos of violence where people were attacking each other, it seems like it would be hard for any violence to occur if it was just Nazis in an echo chamber...

-PR



So you're suggesting that some people in that march Friday night didn't know what they were involved with?....The anti-Jew chants while holding a torch wasn't a red flag for the "good" people involved to disassociate themselves?...





Trump suggested that there were some people there who were only protesting the removal of the statue and was called a liar for it.

Is he a liar?

Were people there on Saturday morning NOT chanting racist bullshit?

Does anyone really know? I don't care enough to research it, but then...neither does anyone foaming at the mouth about the president being a liar and a racist.

-PR

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08-16-17 09:08 AM - Post#1703007    

I'm waiting for the big Lebowski reference.

They were Nazis?
Are we splitting hairs here?
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08-16-17 09:34 AM - Post#1703008    

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-...

Pretty good summary of what's going on (You can take of leave the religious aspect) IMO
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08-16-17 10:18 AM - Post#1703009    

All the big boys who are pulling the strings from above are starting to see the fruits of their labor. A country increasingly focused on identity politics and extreme ideologies. Combine that with the general apathy of the voting public that we've seen for decades, a dash of pussification here and there, and a healthy dose of progressive PC language and thought and, voila.

Bon appetit

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08-16-17 10:31 AM - Post#1703010    

  • Johnny_Upton Said:
  • Kanrok Said:
I am having a hard time understanding how a group called "Unite the Right" would enlist (in this case) real Nazi's and white supremacists.

What benefit is there to any political party to be tied to these mouth-breathing inbred douche-nozzles?

My spidey sense is heightened.

I don't doubt for a minute that there were actual Nazis at this "rally."

I would like to know who was behind the "Unite the Right" group.

And yes, I find them reprehensible.

I also find anarchists and communists reprehensible.

As should any sensible American.

It's not a false equivalency to place blame on both sides.

It's just having good old common sense and the ability to walk and chew gum at the same time.

The whole Charlottesville "protest" seems awfully convenient and more than a little contrived.



+1

I also have to laugh at the press driven narrative that that Anti-Anti FA were the innocent victims in all of this






Back in 1977, the Nazi party in Illinois wanted to march in Skokie. To those not familiar with Chicago, Skokie was then, and is now, a center for Jewish culture here. It is a suburb where Jewish immigrants went once they made it to the middle class (the upper class migrated further north to Highland Park).

In any event when the news hit that those miscreants wanted to march there it hit me like a gut punch - and I'm not even Jewish!

Long story short, the Nazi's ultimately won their court case, but decided to take the march to Marquette Park (a place where I played 16 inch softball as a "yute"). Marquette Park is far south from Skokie.

The only reason the Nazi's won the right to hold their cluster fuck at Marquette Park was because the ACLU represented them in court.

The CPD did a marvelous job keeping the Nazi'z and the counter-protesters away from each other. They ultimately made the Nazi's speak behind a stand of trees, and the counter-protesters had to yell and scream behind barricades.

We have the opportunity to learn from history as well.

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08-16-17 10:34 AM - Post#1703011    

Ya I watched Blues Brothers too KR.
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08-16-17 10:39 AM - Post#1703012    

  • Kanrok Said:
I agree with the sentiment that we should denounce this line of thought.

I disagree that violence is the proper method.

These knuckle-draggers actually had a permit to protest.

The ACLU, for cryin' out loud, went to court to protect their right to protest.

The best way to deal with this nonsense is to shine a light on it.

We can't pick and choose which constitutional rights we are willing to support.

I find anarchists and communists reprehensible too.

That doesn't mean I want to stop them from espousing their views.

They have a right to protest.

They don't have a right to resort to violence.



Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Although I must admit that if some of these loudmouth KKK/Nazi/White Nationalist types gets a beatdown, I won't shed a tear.
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08-16-17 10:52 AM - Post#1703013    

  • Johnny_Upton Said:
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-...

Pretty good summary of what's going on (You can take of leave the religious aspect) IMO



Really good.
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08-16-17 10:53 AM - Post#1703014    

Speech is free but not without consequence.

I appreciate the ACLU and what it does. Its nice to see the righties in the crew acknowledging them as something other than a liberal group for a change.
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08-16-17 10:54 AM - Post#1703015    

  • ChiBoyinLA Said:
  • Kanrok Said:
I agree with the sentiment that we should denounce this line of thought.

I disagree that violence is the proper method.

These knuckle-draggers actually had a permit to protest.

The ACLU, for cryin' out loud, went to court to protect their right to protest.

The best way to deal with this nonsense is to shine a light on it.

We can't pick and choose which constitutional rights we are willing to support.

I find anarchists and communists reprehensible too.

That doesn't mean I want to stop them from espousing their views.

They have a right to protest.

They don't have a right to resort to violence.



Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Although I must admit that if some of these loudmouth KKK/Nazi/White Nationalist types gets a beatdown, I won't shed a tear.



Agreed, but the prevailing attitude I'm seeing is that if you DON'T punch a Nazi, you're part of the problem. That's kind'a scary. Remember when the last great man who made huge strides in this exact arena said "I have a dream...that all of you will go right now a smoke a KKK motherfucker right in the head!"?

No matter how you slice this event, the loss of innocent life and a gaggle of fucking idiots screaming their idiot views - the average person (any color, creed, sex or orientation) is still 1,000 times safer running through a Nazi rally screaming "Fuck you, Nazis!" than they are walking through Newark on any Wednesday night. This event wasn't a "start of something" and isn't going to be heiled (WAKA WAKA WAKA) as the beginning of the end, 20 years from now, when we've all been crucified by Nazis.

-PR

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08-16-17 10:58 AM - Post#1703016    

  • foolish Said:
Speech is free but not without consequence.

I appreciate the ACLU and what it does. Its nice to see the righties in the crew acknowledging them as something other than a liberal group for a change.



I did some work for the local ACLU office and while they were all certainly "liberals", they're all also good, honest people who are willing to refrain from the hypocrisy that you see at every turn here (in the US) with regard to political issues.

Honestly, they're better people than me. I'd be telling these guys "Look, man...don't be an asshole...you KNOW this isn't going to end well and people are going to get hurt..."

-PR

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08-16-17 11:09 AM - Post#1703017    

  • foolish Said:
Speech is free but not without consequence.

I appreciate the ACLU and what it does. Its nice to see the righties in the crew acknowledging them as something other than a liberal group for a change.



I'm a big first amendment proponent.

As an attorney I swore an oath to support the constitution.

I take that oath quite seriously.

I may not agree with the ACLU on many stances they take, but I admire the fact that they are consistent in their protection of the first amendment.
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08-16-17 11:12 AM - Post#1703018    

  • foolish Said:
Speech is free but not without consequence.

I appreciate the ACLU and what it does. Its nice to see the righties in the crew acknowledging them as something other than a liberal group for a change.



While I agree with the first, does that include violence?
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08-16-17 11:19 AM - Post#1703019    

  • Johnny_Upton Said:
  • foolish Said:
Speech is free but not without consequence.

I appreciate the ACLU and what it does. Its nice to see the righties in the crew acknowledging them as something other than a liberal group for a change.



While I agree with the first, does that include violence?



Good question.
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08-16-17 11:29 AM - Post#1703021    

  • PuckRogue Said:
the average person (any color, creed, sex or orientation) is still 1,000 times safer running through a Nazi rally screaming "Fuck you, Nazis!" than they are walking through Newark on any Wednesday night.



Absurd statement. It may be true for you, but it is certainly not true for any "color, creed, sex, or orientation."
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08-16-17 11:48 AM - Post#1703022    

  • Kanrok Said:
  • Johnny_Upton Said:
  • foolish Said:
Speech is free but not without consequence.

I appreciate the ACLU and what it does. Its nice to see the righties in the crew acknowledging them as something other than a liberal group for a change.



While I agree with the first, does that include violence?



Good question.




Of course not. Violence begets more violence. We are a country of laws. Unfortunately, law enforcement in Virginia was unprepared for what was about to occur. When people show up to a demonstration with bats and helmets, especially when they can expect opposition that will likely be physical in nature, the only realistic thing you can do is separate the combatants. And this wasn't done.

Can we focus our attention on what ought to be an investigation of the Clinton Foundation for crying out loud?!?
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08-16-17 12:21 PM - Post#1703023    

  • Pete Said:
  • Kanrok Said:
  • Johnny_Upton Said:
  • foolish Said:
Speech is free but not without consequence.

I appreciate the ACLU and what it does. Its nice to see the righties in the crew acknowledging them as something other than a liberal group for a change.



While I agree with the first, does that include violence?



Good question.




Of course not. Violence begets more violence. We are a country of laws. Unfortunately, law enforcement in Virginia was unprepared for what was about to occur. When people show up to a demonstration with bats and helmets, especially when they can expect opposition that will likely be physical in nature, the only realistic thing you can do is separate the combatants. And this wasn't done.

Can we focus our attention on what ought to be an investigation of the Clinton Foundation for crying out loud?!?



Violence as a consequence of speech? If I say "your daughter has a sweet behind" is a punch in the face not a reasonable consequence?

There is not a yes/no answer to that question. You all stood up for the trump supporters who punched protesters in the back of the head during his rallies, no? was that a reasonable consequence of free speech (don't give me your permit bullshit). Trump actually requested that his supporters "knock out" people voicing displeasure at his rhetoric.......

When a man in a van says to my daughter "get in, I have candy", you better believe violence will occur and it will be the absolute correct response...

now back to the....clinton investigation.
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08-16-17 12:27 PM - Post#1703024    

  • foolish Said:
  • Pete Said:
  • Kanrok Said:
  • Johnny_Upton Said:
  • foolish Said:
Speech is free but not without consequence.

I appreciate the ACLU and what it does. Its nice to see the righties in the crew acknowledging them as something other than a liberal group for a change.



While I agree with the first, does that include violence?



Good question.




Of course not. Violence begets more violence. We are a country of laws. Unfortunately, law enforcement in Virginia was unprepared for what was about to occur. When people show up to a demonstration with bats and helmets, especially when they can expect opposition that will likely be physical in nature, the only realistic thing you can do is separate the combatants. And this wasn't done.

Can we focus our attention on what ought to be an investigation of the Clinton Foundation for crying out loud?!?



Violence as a consequence of speech? If I say "your daughter has a sweet behind" is a punch in the face not a reasonable consequence?

There is not a yes/no answer to that question. You all stood up for the trump supporters who punched protesters in the back of the head during his rallies, no? was that a reasonable consequence of free speech (don't give me your permit bullshit). Trump actually requested that his supporters "knock out" people voicing displeasure at his rhetoric.......

When a man in a van says to my daughter "get in, I have candy", you better believe violence will occur and it will be the absolute correct response...

now back to the....clinton investigation.



Wow.
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08-16-17 12:36 PM - Post#1703025    

Sorry - forgot, the right only can rationalize in 164 characters

"violence is never the answer"


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08-16-17 12:44 PM - Post#1703026    

  • foolish Said:
Sorry - forgot, the right only can rationalize in 164 characters

"violence is never the answer"





Conflating "free speech" with a pedophilia reference.

Truly Clintonesque!
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08-16-17 12:46 PM - Post#1703027    

  • foolish Said:
Sorry - forgot, the right only can rationalize in 164 characters

"violence is never the answer"





Stay focused on "The Left" vs. "The Right". They have you exactly where they want you.

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08-16-17 12:48 PM - Post#1703029    

  • foolish Said:
Sorry - forgot, the right only can rationalize in 164 characters

"violence is never the answer"





Obtuse.
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08-16-17 12:49 PM - Post#1703030    

  • haymaker36 Said:
  • PuckRogue Said:
the average person (any color, creed, sex or orientation) is still 1,000 times safer running through a Nazi rally screaming "Fuck you, Nazis!" than they are walking through Newark on any Wednesday night.



Absurd statement. It may be true for you, but it is certainly not true for any "color, creed, sex, or orientation."



It most certainly is. Guaranteed.

If you're insinuating that if I was black I'd be fine in Newark...who is it that's routinely murdered in Newark? Rednecks?

If you're insinuating that if I was black I'd be more likely to get murdered by a crowd of Nazis, well...doesn't it become relative? If you run into a mob screaming at them, the color of your skin goes right out the window. The vast majority of the "counter-protestors" at this last thing were white. The lady who died was white.

My point isn't that it's safe at a Nazi rally, but making this out to be a pivotal point in the history of the US is paranoid, delusional folly. There's been hatred and violence permeating portions of our society forever.

-PR

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08-16-17 12:54 PM - Post#1703031    

  • Kanrok Said:
  • foolish Said:
Sorry - forgot, the right only can rationalize in 164 characters

"violence is never the answer"





Obtuse.





KR - what did I miss the first time? The idea that violence is NEVER the answer seems excessively bored and inconsistent with the real world. In the case of what happened this weekend, violence obviously was inappropriate, but when both sides show up armed and the cops don't intervene, its the only likely outcome.

In general, there are things that when said will incite violence.
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08-16-17 12:58 PM - Post#1703033    

  • foolish Said:
  • Pete Said:
  • Kanrok Said:
  • Johnny_Upton Said:
  • foolish Said:
Speech is free but not without consequence.

I appreciate the ACLU and what it does. Its nice to see the righties in the crew acknowledging them as something other than a liberal group for a change.



While I agree with the first, does that include violence?



Good question.




Of course not. Violence begets more violence. We are a country of laws. Unfortunately, law enforcement in Virginia was unprepared for what was about to occur. When people show up to a demonstration with bats and helmets, especially when they can expect opposition that will likely be physical in nature, the only realistic thing you can do is separate the combatants. And this wasn't done.

Can we focus our attention on what ought to be an investigation of the Clinton Foundation for crying out loud?!?



Violence as a consequence of speech? If I say "your daughter has a sweet behind" is a punch in the face not a reasonable consequence?

There is not a yes/no answer to that question. You all stood up for the trump supporters who punched protesters in the back of the head during his rallies, no? was that a reasonable consequence of free speech (don't give me your permit bullshit). Trump actually requested that his supporters "knock out" people voicing displeasure at his rhetoric.......

When a man in a van says to my daughter "get in, I have candy", you better believe violence will occur and it will be the absolute correct response...

now back to the....clinton investigation.



The 2 examples you gave aren't the intent of the first ammendment. Not sure of the incident you are referring to but if it's a protester directly interfering with a political rally, I think that's a pretty big logic leap to get to the government restricting free speech

The Anti-Anti-FA are becoming Brownshirt-esque in their response to speech they don't approve. The police response was very weak and their lack of response condones their response to stifle free speech
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08-16-17 12:58 PM - Post#1703034    

  • Pete Said:
  • foolish Said:
Sorry - forgot, the right only can rationalize in 164 characters

"violence is never the answer"





Conflating "free speech" with a pedophilia reference.

Truly Clintonesque!



Is "I wanna bang your daughter" not speech that I am constitutionally allowed to say? I legally can't act on it (assuming your daughter is below age of consent), but I get to say that shit and then have to bear the consequences of my speech. If a nazi goes into a synagogue and starts yelling about what nazis yell about regarding jews, do you really expect the congregation to stand quietly and listen? It was an absurdist question.
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08-16-17 12:59 PM - Post#1703035    

  • Kanrok Said:
  • foolish Said:
Sorry - forgot, the right only can rationalize in 164 characters

"violence is never the answer"





Obtuse.




I recently quit Twitter because of this topic. Race should never be debated in 164 characters or less. It oversimplifies thought which is dangerous.

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08-16-17 01:02 PM - Post#1703036    

If someone walks up to you on the street and says "Fuck you, I hate you"...that doesn't give you the right to punch them...right? Asking for an enemy.

-PR

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08-16-17 01:03 PM - Post#1703037    

  • Johnny_Upton Said:


The 2 examples you gave aren't the intent of the first ammendment. Not sure of the incident you are referring to but if it's a protester directly interfering with a political rally, I think that's a pretty big logic leap to get to the government restricting free speech

The Anti-Anti-FA are becoming Brownshirt-esque in their response to speech they don't approve. The police response was very weak and their lack of response condones their response to stifle free speech




I was thinking about this -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXyHr_Ka7ho

If you see a protester about to lob a tomato - knock them out. That would mean preemptively attacking someone.

I know my examples were not the point, but the point was crazy broad. Its all speech and all protected.

The cops dropped the ball, agreed.
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08-16-17 01:30 PM - Post#1703038    

http://reformjudaism.org/blog/2017/08/14/charl otte...
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08-16-17 01:50 PM - Post#1703041    

BTW... I think this puts the nail in the coffin that Trump will be gone after four years. I don't even think he'll want to continue.

I'm politically conservative and socially liberal. So I hope he can get through health care, tax cuts, the wall (yup!), trade, etc. At that point, the next President will have to be a bit more socially liberal, which shouldn't be hard.

Anyone else think ol Mitt is attempting to come away looking good in all of this... maybe another run? Not that I'm encouraging that.

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08-16-17 02:03 PM - Post#1703043    

I guess now we know why conservative politicians always seem so wimpy and careful not too offend anyone. I would find it frustrating because they would just get demonized by the left anyways and called racist, misogynist, dog hater, etc.

Turns out all along that the left was actually holding back! As far as I can tell every single non conservative politician, celebrity, and journalist have lost their minds.
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08-16-17 02:17 PM - Post#1703045    

I guess the president is proud David Duke, Richard Spencer, etc, have responded with thanks to Trump for how he has responded to this. How can anyone defend this man?
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08-16-17 02:24 PM - Post#1703046    

  • irish_66 Said:
I guess the president is proud David Duke, Richard Spencer, etc, have responded with thanks to Trump for how he has responded to this. How can anyone defend this man?



How many times does Trump have to denounce the KKK to make you happy? Why should he give attention to an idiot like Duke who is only after the attention it affords him? Trump rarely knows when to shut up when he's ahead, but in this case he was wise not to even acknowledge these clowns.
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08-16-17 02:27 PM - Post#1703047    

  • foolish Said:
  • Kanrok Said:
  • foolish Said:
Sorry - forgot, the right only can rationalize in 164 characters

"violence is never the answer"





Obtuse.





KR - what did I miss the first time? The idea that violence is NEVER the answer seems excessively bored and inconsistent with the real world. In the case of what happened this weekend, violence obviously was inappropriate, but when both sides show up armed and the cops don't intervene, its the only likely outcome.

In general, there are things that when said will incite violence.



Did I say "violence is never the answer?" I don't think I did.

I can think of tons of examples where violence is not only correct, but legal. for instance, If someone says "I am going to kill you" and they are within striking distance, you can certainly protect yourself, and given the proper circumstances, even lethal force is appropriate.

Your initial answer implies that you believe it is fine for anyone to punch a Nazi just because they disagree with what they say. I disagree. Not on first amendment grounds, but on common principles of criminal law.

The first amendment is not implicated when an Antifa thug throws a rock, a fist or a bag full of piss at a Nazi. That is plain old, every day battery.

When you throw a punch because someone remarks on your daughter's figure, that is not a violation of the first amendment. That is considered a battery. It may not be charged as such, but legally speaking, you take your chances when you act that way. If the government charges you, you cannot raise the first amendment as a defense. (I can conceive of a case where a douchebag yelling that at a girl could be considered an assault, and you may be able to assert defense of others).

When the government stifles speech that is otherwise constitutional in nature (and "hate speech" is protected) then it violates the first amendment.

Not giving a permit to miscreant Nazi's and white supremacists because the government doesn't like what they stand for is a violation of the first amendment. It doesn't mean unfettered access to public land. The government can place reasonable restrictions on the protest. (See, e.g., the CPD when the Nazi's rallied in Marquette Park in Chicago. They were placed in a copse of trees).

I am 100% in favor of allowing both Nazis/white supremacists and anarchists/communists to yell and scream at one another across a wide expanse with the police keeping the peace. Once someone decides violence is the answer, arrest them.

See, it's simple.
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08-16-17 02:29 PM - Post#1703048    

Pete, There were good people at the torch infested rally on Friday night-his exact words. You blasted people for slobbering over Obama, you should be ashamed for slobbering over this idiot. Take your sheet off.
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08-16-17 02:32 PM - Post#1703049    

Pete: You're officially a white supremacist!

Congrats!

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08-16-17 02:33 PM - Post#1703051    

  • irish_66 Said:
Pete, There were good people at the torch infested rally on Friday night-his exact words. You blasted people for slobbering over Obama, you should be ashamed for slobbering over this idiot. Take your sheet off.



And you edited this comment?

ROFL.
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08-16-17 02:35 PM - Post#1703052    

  • Kanrok Said:


Did I say "violence is never the answer?" I don't think I did.

I can think of tons of examples where violence is not only correct, but legal. for instance, If someone says "I am going to kill you" and they are within striking distance, you can certainly protect yourself, and given the proper circumstances, even lethal force is appropriate.

Your initial answer implies that you believe it is fine for anyone to punch a Nazi just because they disagree with what they say. I disagree. Not on first amendment grounds, but on common principles of criminal law.

The first amendment is not implicated when an Antifa thug throws a rock, a fist or a bag full of piss at a Nazi. That is plain old, every day battery.

When you throw a punch because someone remarks on your daughter's figure, that is not a violation of the first amendment. That is considered a battery. It may not be charged as such, but legally speaking, you take your chances when you act that way. If the government charges you, you cannot raise the first amendment as a defense. (I can conceive of a case where a douchebag yelling that at a girl could be considered an assault, and you may be able to assert defense of others).

When the government stifles speech that is otherwise constitutional in nature (and "hate speech" is protected) then it violates the first amendment.

Not giving a permit to miscreant Nazi's and white supremacists because the government doesn't like what they stand for is a violation of the first amendment. It doesn't mean unfettered access to public land. The government can place reasonable restrictions on the protest. (See, e.g., the CPD when the Nazi's rallied in Marquette Park in Chicago. They were placed in a copse of trees).

I am 100% in favor of allowing both Nazis/white supremacists and anarchists/communists to yell and scream at one another across a wide expanse with the police keeping the peace. Once someone decides violence is the answer, arrest them.

See, it's simple.



oh I see - you thought I was addressing you. I was addressing Pete who did in fact say that violence is never the answer. Your "Wow" reposes to my wacky hypotheticals confused me. I think we're pretty much in agreement.
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08-16-17 02:38 PM - Post#1703053    

10-4.

I think Pete also agrees with us.

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08-16-17 03:52 PM - Post#1703056    

Kanrok wins this thread.
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08-16-17 04:31 PM - Post#1703059    

  • PuckRogue Said:
If someone walks up to you on the street and says "Fuck you, I hate you"...that doesn't give you the right to punch them...right? Asking for an enemy.

-PR



No, but as Kanrok has pointed out, if someone says they want to hurt or kill me and my race then I'm ready to throw down...

This was never going to be a peaceful presentation. There is nothing peaceful about chanting Blacks and Jews should die....

The President clearly doesn't understand this....
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08-16-17 05:03 PM - Post#1703060    

  • Baldridge Said:
  • PuckRogue Said:
If someone walks up to you on the street and says "Fuck you, I hate you"...that doesn't give you the right to punch them...right? Asking for an enemy.

-PR



No, but as Kanrok has pointed out, if someone says they want to hurt or kill me and my race then I'm ready to throw down...

This was never going to be a peaceful presentation. There is nothing peaceful about chanting Blacks and Jews should die....

The President clearly doesn't understand this....



You're conflating words with actions.

So if the Anti-Anti-FA folks didn't show up to Physically confront the Nazi/KKK/Whatever Rally, those folks would have done what exactly?


If the Anti-Anti-FA would have stood guard over the Synagogue like noted in the article posted by CBiLA, they could claim the moral high ground

When are you going to calll out your union brethren for their violent rhetoric and images when the protest a non-union job site?
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08-16-17 05:18 PM - Post#1703062    

  • haymaker36 Said:
  • PuckRogue Said:
the average person (any color, creed, sex or orientation) is still 1,000 times safer running through a Nazi rally screaming "Fuck you, Nazis!" than they are walking through Newark on any Wednesday night.



Absurd statement. It may be true for you, but it is certainly not true for any "color, creed, sex, or orientation."



I've been threatened by a Muslim walking in downtown Newark in Broad daylight.
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08-16-17 05:34 PM - Post#1703063    

  • Johnny_Upton Said:
  • Baldridge Said:
  • PuckRogue Said:
If someone walks up to you on the street and says "Fuck you, I hate you"...that doesn't give you the right to punch them...right? Asking for an enemy.

-PR



No, but as Kanrok has pointed out, if someone says they want to hurt or kill me and my race then I'm ready to throw down...

This was never going to be a peaceful presentation. There is nothing peaceful about chanting Blacks and Jews should die....

The President clearly doesn't understand this....



You're conflating words with actions.

So if the Anti-Anti-FA folks didn't show up to Physically confront the Nazi/KKK/Whatever Rally, those folks would have done what exactly?


If the Anti-Anti-FA would have stood guard over the Synagogue like noted in the article posted by CBiLA, they could claim the moral high ground

When are you going to calll out your union brethren for their violent rhetoric and images when the protest a non-union job site?



The physical violence is unacceptable from either side.

Outright ignoring such evil and hate is tacit acceptance. Backing away from evil only emboldens it.

The right thing IMHO would be to show up in greater numbers, with louder voices and make the nazis irrelevant or a joke. Like we've done for years with the a-holes from westboro baptist.

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08-16-17 05:35 PM - Post#1703064    

  • irish_66 Said:
Pete, There were good people at the torch infested rally on Friday night-his exact words. You blasted people for slobbering over Obama, you should be ashamed for slobbering over this idiot. Take your sheet off.


Take your sheet off? Seriously?

I wonder how many moderate (or even Democrat-voting) whites there are out there who will tire of being told they are racist bigots the next few years. These are fascinating times.
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08-16-17 05:35 PM - Post#1703065    

Newark is mildly dangerous. Come to East Camden. Federal and Carmen. Bring a Confederate flag. Lol...
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08-16-17 05:42 PM - Post#1703067    

These Neo-Nazis are bad ass in Charlottesville,VA....2/3 of these pussies wouldn't have the balls to go into a tough neighborhood in any inner city in America..
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08-16-17 05:44 PM - Post#1703068    

I'll never look at a tiki torch the same way again.
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08-16-17 05:47 PM - Post#1703069    

Yeah, the Tiki torch isn't just for mosquitos anymore...
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08-16-17 05:49 PM - Post#1703070    

  • ChiBoyinLA Said:
  • Badlands92 Said:

Today's "punch a Nazi" target is an actual Nazi.

Tomorrow it may be the old lady who asks us to stop swearing in front of her granddaughter.




No, you apologist. Today's targets are actual neo-Nazis. Period. End Stop.


Apologist for what? Check out my comment on Page 2.

You are one naive bastard if you think the line will be/is drawn at true "Nazis".

Check out this article written by liberal Peter Beinart (before Charlottesville, mind you). Focus on the first three paragraphs.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017 /...

What happens when someone punches a black dude for wearing a shirt that says "We're full here...go back to Mexico". That's pretty hateful isn't it...is he a Nazi? How about a chick wearing a MAGA hat? Or a Jewish man with a "How does a Muslim male box? Hi-jab" sign? Offensive!

If you don't think things can accelerate quickly, just look at the statues. Yesterday it was confederate soldiers. Today there are already calls for Washington to be removed from Chicago.

Yah, everyone is as rational as you are.
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08-16-17 05:49 PM - Post#1703071    

  • Baldridge Said:
These Neo-Nazis are bad ass in Charlottesville,VA....2/3 of these pussies wouldn't have the balls to go into a tough neighborhood in any inner city in America..


Agreed. The gang/mob mentality makes everyone feel safer/tougher.
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08-16-17 05:51 PM - Post#1703072    

  • Posux Said:
PR, did you see footage from the night before? Those were Nazis dude. Why you think different than that is beyond me.

Haymaker and Chiboy> Stockfan and Badlands




What part of my comment did you disagree with? Do you think Antifa is only punching Richard Spencer and his few hundred supporters? If so, I have a kelp farm to sell you.
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08-16-17 05:56 PM - Post#1703073    

  • haymaker36 Said:
Wow.


Nice to see you haven't lost your knack for concision since you've been away.

Any counter-argument to show me the light?
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08-16-17 07:41 PM - Post#1703076    

  • Baldridge Said:
Yeah, the Tiki torch isn't just for mosquitos anymore...



love me a tiki torch, light my cigars off them bad boys.

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08-16-17 08:15 PM - Post#1703077    

  • Johnny_Upton Said:
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-...

Pretty good summary of what's going on (You can take of leave the religious aspect) IMO



Good read.

Ironic that the author mentions Moralistic Therapeutic Deism. I have that concept listed in my private notes as something to research.

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08-16-17 08:27 PM - Post#1703078    

  • Baldridge Said:
These Neo-Nazis are bad ass in Charlottesville,VA....2/3 of these pussies wouldn't have the balls to go into a tough neighborhood in any inner city in America..



Lots of union pussies wouldn't go there either

But hating minorities is a pre req for joining a union
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08-16-17 08:32 PM - Post#1703079    

  • foolish Said:
  • Johnny_Upton Said:
  • Baldridge Said:
  • PuckRogue Said:
If someone walks up to you on the street and says "Fuck you, I hate you"...that doesn't give you the right to punch them...right? Asking for an enemy.

-PR



No, but as Kanrok has pointed out, if someone says they want to hurt or kill me and my race then I'm ready to throw down...

This was never going to be a peaceful presentation. There is nothing peaceful about chanting Blacks and Jews should die....

The President clearly doesn't understand this....



You're conflating words with actions.

So if the Anti-Anti-FA folks didn't show up to Physically confront the Nazi/KKK/Whatever Rally, those folks would have done what exactly?


If the Anti-Anti-FA would have stood guard over the Synagogue like noted in the article posted by CBiLA, they could claim the moral high ground

When are you going to calll out your union brethren for their violent rhetoric and images when the protest a non-union job site?



The physical violence is unacceptable from either side.

Outright ignoring such evil and hate is tacit acceptance. Backing away from evil only emboldens it.

The right thing IMHO would be to show up in greater numbers, with louder voices and make the nazis irrelevant or a joke. Like we've done for years with the a-holes from westboro baptist.




Why wasn't new Nazi/KKK marches a big deal 6months ago?

Giving them press is a better recruiting tool than ignoring them imo

When was the last time the shitstains at the WBC made the news? Shit last time the made news was conservatives calling them out on there bullshit.

This is why this makes me think this is a bit of a false flag

Ymmv

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08-16-17 08:35 PM - Post#1703080    

  • Kanrok Said:
  • Johnny_Upton Said:
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-...

Pretty good summary of what's going on (You can take of leave the religious aspect) IMO



Good read.

Ironic that the author mentions Moralistic Therapeutic Deism. I have that concept listed in my private notes as something to research.

Yes, I am really boring these days.



Was interested in your take on the religious side. Others may have been put off with the religious overtones
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08-16-17 08:41 PM - Post#1703081    

  • Kanrok Said:
  • Johnny_Upton Said:
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-...

Pretty good summary of what's going on (You can take of leave the religious aspect) IMO



Good read.

Ironic that the author mentions Moralistic Therapeutic Deism. I have that concept listed in my private notes as something to research.

Yes, I am really boring these days.



...these days?

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08-16-17 08:43 PM - Post#1703082    

  • Johnny_Upton Said:
  • foolish Said:
  • Johnny_Upton Said:
  • Baldridge Said:
  • PuckRogue Said:
If someone walks up to you on the street and says "Fuck you, I hate you"...that doesn't give you the right to punch them...right? Asking for an enemy.

-PR



No, but as Kanrok has pointed out, if someone says they want to hurt or kill me and my race then I'm ready to throw down...

This was never going to be a peaceful presentation. There is nothing peaceful about chanting Blacks and Jews should die....

The President clearly doesn't understand this....



You're conflating words with actions.

So if the Anti-Anti-FA folks didn't show up to Physically confront the Nazi/KKK/Whatever Rally, those folks would have done what exactly?


If the Anti-Anti-FA would have stood guard over the Synagogue like noted in the article posted by CBiLA, they could claim the moral high ground

When are you going to calll out your union brethren for their violent rhetoric and images when the protest a non-union job site?



The physical violence is unacceptable from either side.

Outright ignoring such evil and hate is tacit acceptance. Backing away from evil only emboldens it.

The right thing IMHO would be to show up in greater numbers, with louder voices and make the nazis irrelevant or a joke. Like we've done for years with the a-holes from westboro baptist.




Why wasn't new Nazi/KKK marches a big deal 6months ago?

Giving them press is a better recruiting tool than ignoring them imo

When was the last time the shitstains at the WBC made the news? Shit last time the made news was conservatives calling them out on there bullshit.

This is why this makes me think this is a bit of a false flag

Ymmv





The Sheeple are pretty sure this is the first Nazi rally in decades and that it's all Trump's fault because, despite being a douchebag TV host who made his money in hospitality, he was really just the secret Grand Poobah of the KKK.

-PR

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08-16-17 10:06 PM - Post#1703087    

PUNCH A NA...young, conservative black man for having the audacity to peacefully attend a rally.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/19830/black-cons erva...

More violence courtesy of Chi's and Hay's peaceful left.
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08-16-17 10:36 PM - Post#1703088    

  • Johnny_Upton Said:
  • Kanrok Said:
  • Johnny_Upton Said:
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-...

Pretty good summary of what's going on (You can take of leave the religious aspect) IMO



Good read.

Ironic that the author mentions Moralistic Therapeutic Deism. I have that concept listed in my private notes as something to research.

Yes, I am really boring these days.



Was interested in your take on the religious side. Others may have been put off with the religious overtones




The author is right when he decries identity politics. It is a scourge, and our clergy should be railing against it.

The author is also right that Christianity today is generally not very orthodox. It is not particularly Biblical.

I'm fairly orthodox in my views, so I gravitate towards orthodox theologians and clergy. The book referred to by Ulrich Lerner is interesting to me. I also find what Archbishop Chaput has to say interesting.

As an orthodox Catholic, I am in exile. That is what the author says in his book "The Benedict Option." I would say I'm radical, but I like his turn of phrase better.
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08-17-17 06:24 AM - Post#1703093    

  • Badlands92 Said:
PUNCH A NA...young, conservative black man for having the audacity to peacefully attend a rally.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/19830/black-cons erva...

More violence courtesy of Chi's and Hay's peaceful left.



Who filmed that, Joey Salads?....
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08-17-17 06:58 AM - Post#1703095    

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/08/16/jackson-wa s...


When does it end?...


It makes you wonder if some TRULY EVER EVER want race relations to be good, separate but equal?.. Many hustlers and players would be out of a job, listen to this fucking guy


Like i said earlier ---- If you just Let the couple of hundred or so yahoos march peacefully (i believe they had legal permit) and it would have been over in a couple hours. The media STIRS IT UP and putting out the bait (and of course many cant resist and want to the bait) and you have this





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08-17-17 07:04 AM - Post#1703096    

  • Baldridge Said:
  • Badlands92 Said:
PUNCH A NA...young, conservative black man for having the audacity to peacefully attend a rally.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/19830/black-cons erva...

More violence courtesy of Chi's and Hay's peaceful left.



Who filmed that, Joey Salads?....


If you read the article, he explains why it was filmed the way it was.

You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?
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08-17-17 07:58 AM - Post#1703097    

... And this is how the game is played



Valid question from the "people on the street"


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08-17-17 09:09 AM - Post#1703102    

  • Kanrok Said:
Pete: You're officially a white supremacist!

Congrats!





I'm not well informed on the coterie's hierarchy. Still deciding on whether I want to be a Grand Wizard or a Grand Dragon.

Decisions, decisions.

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08-17-17 09:10 AM - Post#1703103    

  • Badlands92 Said:
  • haymaker36 Said:
Wow.


Nice to see you haven't lost your knack for concision since you've been away.

Any counter-argument to show me the light?



Doubt it.
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08-17-17 09:11 AM - Post#1703104    

  • Kanrok Said:
10-4.

I think Pete also agrees with us.





Hmm. After the previous post, I'm not so sure. This Grand Wizard/Dragon is some pretty heady stuff
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08-17-17 09:15 AM - Post#1703105    

  • Badlands92 Said:
PUNCH A NA...young, conservative black man for having the audacity to peacefully attend a rally.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/19830/black-cons erva...

More violence courtesy of Chi's and Hay's peaceful left.



I'll be sure to let you know how it feels after I sucker punch my first old lady or black conservative.
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08-17-17 09:17 AM - Post#1703106    

Hey come on now guys, there are some stand up dudes in this crowd.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RIrcB1sAN8I
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08-17-17 09:26 AM - Post#1703107    

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Hey come on now guys, there are some stand up dudes in this crowd.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RIrcB1sAN8I




But, Timothy McVeigh
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08-17-17 10:01 AM - Post#1703109    

  • haymaker36 Said:
  • Badlands92 Said:
PUNCH A NA...young, conservative black man for having the audacity to peacefully attend a rally.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/19830/black-cons erva...

More violence courtesy of Chi's and Hay's peaceful left.



I'll be sure to let you know how it feels after I sucker punch my first old lady or black conservative.





Leave the NFL out of this....
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08-17-17 10:31 AM - Post#1703110    

http://www.dailywire.com/news/19823/rubicon-wa po-o...

Why is it ok for Shitlibs to call for violence? Don't they usually cry themselves to sleep while biting a pillow when they can remotely link the GOP to something associated with violence?

Interesting times..
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08-17-17 10:53 AM - Post#1703114    

  • Pete Said:
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Pete: You're officially a white supremacist!

Congrats!





I'm not well informed on the coterie's hierarchy. Still deciding on whether I want to be a Grand Wizard or a Grand Dragon.

Decisions, decisions.




Tell the ladies that it's Grand Draggin'

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08-17-17 11:00 AM - Post#1703115    

JU, do you feel super intelligent when you continue to call liberals shitlibs? It's not really funny but do your thing.

The truth is there would have been no violence if Antifa and company didn't show up. But them showing up was the best thing for these nationalists. Any press is good press.

But for many, what they were chanting and saying was enough to make them use violence. I actually don't know what I would do if they marched through my town.

There is something noble about violence in this particular march. Hard and hypocritical to condone violence but these dudes were just asking for it.

Normally these insane far-left idiots are just there to start trouble and get on camera.

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08-17-17 11:05 AM - Post#1703116    

  • Posux Said:
JU, do you feel super intelligent when you continue to call liberals shitlibs? It's not really funny but do your thing.

The truth is there would have been no violence if Antifa and company didn't show up. But them showing up was the best thing for these nationalists. Any press is good press.

But for many, what they were chanting and saying was enough to make them use violence. I actually don't know what I would do if they marched through my town.

There is something noble about violence in this particular march. Hard and hypocritical to condone violence but these dudes were just asking for it.

Normally these insane far-left idiots are just there to start trouble and get on camera.



Wow. We agree! Other than that the far-left idiots WERE there to, not get on camera, but get the far-right idiots on camera doing violent shit to help promote the "this is all Trump's fault" message.

-PR

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08-17-17 11:14 AM - Post#1703117    

  • Posux Said:
JU, do you feel super intelligent when you continue to call liberals shitlibs? It's not really funny but do your thing.

The truth is there would have been no violence if Antifa and company didn't show up. But them showing up was the best thing for these nationalists. Any press is good press.

But for many, what they were chanting and saying was enough to make them use violence. I actually don't know what I would do if they marched through my town.

There is something noble about violence in this particular march. Hard and hypocritical to condone violence but these dudes were just asking for it.

Normally these insane far-left idiots are just there to start trouble and get on camera.



any press is good press?


Noble violence?

Gotta think that 1 over again..



Like it hate it some of these statues are american history (NOT just liberal or conservative history) it is a prt of history - like i posted earlier the pastor wants George Washington statue taken down, its just goes on and on and on

In my day to day like nothing has changed, co workers, friends, neighbors hanging with friends at gym, etc, maybe its a little naive but people seem to just go about there daily business, I just wish shit would end



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08-17-17 11:37 AM - Post#1703118    

LOL what a fucking pussy.

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08-17-17 11:39 AM - Post#1703119    

What are you not understanding? These nationalists are like Trump and old school Hollywood. Any press is good press. I don't believe that.

Yes, noble violence. How do you think we got our independence? Sometimes it's just the only option.

There are libraries and tons of books to cite history. Statues should be reserved for people liked by both sides. That is subjective of course but hell, I would love a Reagan or Bush statue anywhere.

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08-17-17 11:48 AM - Post#1703120    

  • Posux Said:
The truth is there would have been no violence if Antifa and company didn't show up. But them showing up was the best thing for these nationalists. Any press is good press.

But for many, what they were chanting and saying was enough to make them use violence. I actually don't know what I would do if they marched through my town.

There is something noble about violence in this particular march. Hard and hypocritical to condone violence but these dudes were just asking for it.

Normally these insane far-left idiots are just there to start trouble and get on camera.



I was talking to my dad a few nights ago (who is probably slightly more liberal than I am) about this whole fiasco. He despises Antifa, as any sane person can see that they only make things worse. Berkeley is not far from here and these two groups of dumbshits are beating each other stupid up there, and that is fine by me. There is nothing noble about taking a cause such as standing up against fascism and using it as an excuse to douse people with piss and beat them up.

That being said, counterprotesters have to be ready to respond. I don't know how I would react if these people showed up in my town (they probably wouldn't). I would probably want to show up to support and help drown out their hateful chants. But expecting them to act nonviolently is naive, and one should be ready to react.
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08-17-17 11:55 AM - Post#1703121    

  • Posux Said:
What are you not understanding? These nationalists are like Trump and old school Hollywood. Any press is good press. I don't believe that.

Yes, noble violence. How do you think we got our independence? Sometimes it's just the only option.

There are libraries and tons of books to cite history. Statues should be reserved for people liked by both sides. That is subjective of course but hell, I would love a Reagan or Bush statue anywhere.



Where's the line? Is it Reagan and Bush? MANY people despise them and could argue that they are offended by them. Is that the line?

-PR


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08-17-17 12:00 PM - Post#1703122    

  • haymaker36 Said:
  • Posux Said:
The truth is there would have been no violence if Antifa and company didn't show up. But them showing up was the best thing for these nationalists. Any press is good press.

But for many, what they were chanting and saying was enough to make them use violence. I actually don't know what I would do if they marched through my town.

There is something noble about violence in this particular march. Hard and hypocritical to condone violence but these dudes were just asking for it.

Normally these insane far-left idiots are just there to start trouble and get on camera.



I was talking to my dad a few nights ago (who is probably slightly more liberal than I am) about this whole fiasco. He despises Antifa, as any sane person can see that they only make things worse. Berkeley is not far from here and these two groups of dumbshits are beating each other stupid up there, and that is fine by me. There is nothing noble about taking a cause such as standing up against fascism and using it as an excuse to douse people with piss and beat them up.

That being said, counterprotesters have to be ready to respond. I don't know how I would react if these people showed up in my town (they probably wouldn't). I would probably want to show up to support and help drown out their hateful chants. But expecting them to act nonviolently is naive, and one should be ready to react.



Ready to respond? What's the end game? You're going to stop a racist idiot from being a racist idiot by screaming at him?

-PR

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08-17-17 12:06 PM - Post#1703123    

  • Posux Said:
JU, do you feel super intelligent when you continue to call liberals shitlibs? It's not really funny but do your thing.

The truth is there would have been no violence if Antifa and company didn't show up. But them showing up was the best thing for these nationalists. Any press is good press.

But for many, what they were chanting and saying was enough to make them use violence. I actually don't know what I would do if they marched through my town.

There is something noble about violence in this particular march. Hard and hypocritical to condone violence but these dudes were just asking for it.

Normally these insane far-left idiots are just there to start trouble and get on camera.



Shitlibs are a subset of liberals. I.E. - all Shitlibs are liberals,
but not all liberals are Shitlibs, but thanks for your permission lol

Ignoring them so they can't use it as a recruiting tool (which the mongoloid-FA handed them) would have been a better option
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08-17-17 12:09 PM - Post#1703125    

  • PuckRogue Said:
  • Posux Said:
What are you not understanding? These nationalists are like Trump and old school Hollywood. Any press is good press. I don't believe that.

Yes, noble violence. How do you think we got our independence? Sometimes it's just the only option.

There are libraries and tons of books to cite history. Statues should be reserved for people liked by both sides. That is subjective of course but hell, I would love a Reagan or Bush statue anywhere.



Where's the line? Is it Reagan and Bush? MANY people despise them and could argue that they are offended by them. Is that the line?

-PR





I don't have that answer. But I feel comfortable treating down statues of leaders of a rebel army who tried to overthrow the United States.

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08-17-17 12:12 PM - Post#1703126    

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This bitch wouldn't say a damn thing to anyone in an inner city.....

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08-17-17 12:14 PM - Post#1703127    

  • Johnny_Upton Said:
  • Posux Said:
JU, do you feel super intelligent when you continue to call liberals shitlibs? It's not really funny but do your thing.

The truth is there would have been no violence if Antifa and company didn't show up. But them showing up was the best thing for these nationalists. Any press is good press.

But for many, what they were chanting and saying was enough to make them use violence. I actually don't know what I would do if they marched through my town.

There is something noble about violence in this particular march. Hard and hypocritical to condone violence but these dudes were just asking for it.

Normally these insane far-left idiots are just there to start trouble and get on camera.



Shitlibs are a subset of liberals. I.E. - all Shitlibs are liberals,
but not all liberals are Shitlibs, but thanks for your permission lol

Ignoring them so they can't use it as a recruiting tool (which the mongoloid-FA handed them) would have been a better option



But aren't you near 50 years old?

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08-17-17 12:17 PM - Post#1703128    

  • PuckRogue Said:
  • haymaker36 Said:
  • Posux Said:
The truth is there would have been no violence if Antifa and company didn't show up. But them showing up was the best thing for these nationalists. Any press is good press.

But for many, what they were chanting and saying was enough to make them use violence. I actually don't know what I would do if they marched through my town.

There is something noble about violence in this particular march. Hard and hypocritical to condone violence but these dudes were just asking for it.

Normally these insane far-left idiots are just there to start trouble and get on camera.



I was talking to my dad a few nights ago (who is probably slightly more liberal than I am) about this whole fiasco. He despises Antifa, as any sane person can see that they only make things worse. Berkeley is not far from here and these two groups of dumbshits are beating each other stupid up there, and that is fine by me. There is nothing noble about taking a cause such as standing up against fascism and using it as an excuse to douse people with piss and beat them up.

That being said, counterprotesters have to be ready to respond. I don't know how I would react if these people showed up in my town (they probably wouldn't). I would probably want to show up to support and help drown out their hateful chants. But expecting them to act nonviolently is naive, and one should be ready to react.



Ready to respond? What's the end game? You're going to stop a racist idiot from being a racist idiot by screaming at him?

-PR



Ready to respond if someone attacks you. Be reactive, not proactive. Otherwise there is no law against peaceful counterprotest, which is what I would be doing.
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08-17-17 12:19 PM - Post#1703129    

  • haymaker36 Said:
  • Posux Said:
The truth is there would have been no violence if Antifa and company didn't show up. But them showing up was the best thing for these nationalists. Any press is good press.

But for many, what they were chanting and saying was enough to make them use violence. I actually don't know what I would do if they marched through my town.

There is something noble about violence in this particular march. Hard and hypocritical to condone violence but these dudes were just asking for it.

Normally these insane far-left idiots are just there to start trouble and get on camera.



I was talking to my dad a few nights ago (who is probably slightly more liberal than I am) about this whole fiasco. He despises Antifa, as any sane person can see that they only make things worse. Berkeley is not far from here and these two groups of dumbshits are beating each other stupid up there, and that is fine by me. There is nothing noble about taking a cause such as standing up against fascism and using it as an excuse to douse people with piss and beat them up.

That being said, counterprotesters have to be ready to respond. I don't know how I would react if these people showed up in my town (they probably wouldn't). I would probably want to show up to support and help drown out their hateful chants. But expecting them to act nonviolently is naive, and one should be ready to react.



I would probably wander over and yell at the asshats as well.

If the government does its job there should be no violence.

If the "rally" can't be held safely, then that s a reason to reject a permit.

As I understand it, the city objected to a march and wanted to divert the proceedings to a nearby park that would make it easier to separate the miscreants from the counter-protesters.

That request was denied by the court as being "speculative."

IMHO, the violence could, and should have been mitigated.

BTW, that Vice film was scary.
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08-17-17 12:39 PM - Post#1703130    

I wonder if private riot control companies might not be the next big thing. I'm thinking analogously to what companies like Blackwater do for the military.

If I'm the chief of police in a town and find out there is a rally planned for the next weekend, I have only a few options:
1) Ignore it and not add staff (Charlottesville-esque)
2) Bring in SWAT and a neighboring forces at overtime pay rates ($$$)
3) Outsource the operation to professional "peacekeepers".

I'm betting at you could create a network of well trained ex-military and police folks, create a minimal training program that leverages the existing expertise but proceduralizes tactics, and have them ready for relatively quick deployments. These protests are generally on weekends, so it could be a part-time gig for the employees. At $80/hr you could scalp $10/hr+insurance costs and probably still pay your people $65/hr or so. And require the employee to maintain their equipment on their own dime.....

...I'm sick of working for a living, get-rich-quick schemes are all I think about.
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08-17-17 01:03 PM - Post#1703131    

  • Kanrok Said:
  • haymaker36 Said:
  • Posux Said:
The truth is there would have been no violence if Antifa and company didn't show up. But them showing up was the best thing for these nationalists. Any press is good press.

But for many, what they were chanting and saying was enough to make them use violence. I actually don't know what I would do if they marched through my town.

There is something noble about violence in this particular march. Hard and hypocritical to condone violence but these dudes were just asking for it.

Normally these insane far-left idiots are just there to start trouble and get on camera.



I was talking to my dad a few nights ago (who is probably slightly more liberal than I am) about this whole fiasco. He despises Antifa, as any sane person can see that they only make things worse. Berkeley is not far from here and these two groups of dumbshits are beating each other stupid up there, and that is fine by me. There is nothing noble about taking a cause such as standing up against fascism and using it as an excuse to douse people with piss and beat them up.

That being said, counterprotesters have to be ready to respond. I don't know how I would react if these people showed up in my town (they probably wouldn't). I would probably want to show up to support and help drown out their hateful chants. But expecting them to act nonviolently is naive, and one should be ready to react.



I would probably wander over and yell at the asshats as well.

If the government does its job there should be no violence.

If the "rally" can't be held safely, then that s a reason to reject a permit.

As I understand it, the city objected to a march and wanted to divert the proceedings to a nearby park that would make it easier to separate the miscreants from the counter-protesters.

That request was denied by the court as being "speculative."

IMHO, the violence could, and should have been mitigated.

BTW, that Vice film was scary.




Charlottesville officials really fucked things up before this thing even got started. Same shit in Berkeley, the PD just watches as these two groups maim each other.

The film is indeed frightening, and goes a ways to dispelling the "few bad apples" narriative, IMO. As someone of Jewish heritage, I would be terrified if that shit came to my hometown.
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08-17-17 01:21 PM - Post#1703133    

  • haymaker36 Said:
  • PuckRogue Said:
  • haymaker36 Said:
  • Posux Said:
The truth is there would have been no violence if Antifa and company didn't show up. But them showing up was the best thing for these nationalists. Any press is good press.

But for many, what they were chanting and saying was enough to make them use violence. I actually don't know what I would do if they marched through my town.

There is something noble about violence in this particular march. Hard and hypocritical to condone violence but these dudes were just asking for it.

Normally these insane far-left idiots are just there to start trouble and get on camera.



I was talking to my dad a few nights ago (who is probably slightly more liberal than I am) about this whole fiasco. He despises Antifa, as any sane person can see that they only make things worse. Berkeley is not far from here and these two groups of dumbshits are beating each other stupid up there, and that is fine by me. There is nothing noble about taking a cause such as standing up against fascism and using it as an excuse to douse people with piss and beat them up.

That being said, counterprotesters have to be ready to respond. I don't know how I would react if these people showed up in my town (they probably wouldn't). I would probably want to show up to support and help drown out their hateful chants. But expecting them to act nonviolently is naive, and one should be ready to react.



Ready to respond? What's the end game? You're going to stop a racist idiot from being a racist idiot by screaming at him?

-PR



Ready to respond if someone attacks you. Be reactive, not proactive. Otherwise there is no law against peaceful counterprotest, which is what I would be doing.




Do you honestly believe that any violence would have been perpetrated here if there were no counter-protestors? Takes two to Tango, eh?

This is where I'm accused of being tolerant of these assholes, which just isn't the same thing. If I'm in a bar and three guys stand up doing Nazi shit, I'm going to stand up and tell them to shut the fuck up or get their asses kicked. But, they're not a mob.

As we've repeatedly seen in almost every angry protest by every group in the last 25 years, these things almost always turn violent when there's a mob situation. You can't reason with a mob. It's lose-lose. Just treat them like trolls: Ignore them and they'll go away. If they get creative and start causing damage or acting criminally, it's much easier for cops to manage one side than two.

-PR

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08-17-17 01:38 PM - Post#1703134    

If the protesters show up looking for a fight and there are no counter protesters or the counter protesters are peaceful, I don't think its likely that the protesters will not find an outlet for the pent up aggression.

In this case, maybe a synagogue or mosque gets burned?

Here in Portland, after the election the protesters took out their frustrations on various local businesses. I'm not saying that a crowd of pro-trump folks would have prevented that, but in the time since there have been no one-sided protests (that I'm aware of) and no vandalism to speak of.
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08-17-17 01:55 PM - Post#1703136    

How many Klan rallies have resulted in the kind of mayhem you see from your typical leftist protest?

The events in places like PDX are what happens when one has no self respect and believes that they are a victim 24X7
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08-17-17 03:07 PM - Post#1703141    

  • Johnny_Upton Said:
How many Klan rallies have resulted in the kind of mayhem you see from your typical leftist protest?

The events in places like PDX are what happens when one has no self respect and believes that they are a victim 24X7



JU - I've never heard of a Klan rally that didn't include counter protesters.

Regarding your second paragraph - are you suggesting that the diff between the AntiFa and the KKK is that the KKK has self respect and a non-victim mentality?
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08-17-17 03:09 PM - Post#1703142    

I just don't buy it, Foolish. These rallies have been happening for decades. Is Trump the difference this year, or is it Antifa?

-PR

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08-17-17 03:10 PM - Post#1703145    

I would suggest that Nazi types do have a false, but overdeveloped sense of self-respect.

-PR

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08-17-17 03:14 PM - Post#1703147    

  • Johnny_Upton Said:
How many Klan rallies have resulted in the kind of mayhem you see from your typical leftist protest?

The events in places like PDX are what happens when one has no self respect and believes that they are a victim 24X7



The problem is that you never believe there are victims. Ever. So simple to you.

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08-17-17 03:24 PM - Post#1703148    

  • PuckRogue Said:
I just don't buy it, Foolish. These rallies have been happening for decades. Is Trump the difference this year, or is it Antifa?

-PR



have they? In areas that they are unpopular in? I don't think they really have, but I'll keep looking. I tried (briefly) googling and came up empty. Though I suppose the burning obama effigies could have been considered white-y rallies....

AntiFa is a symptom, the malady is the ever increasing racial, economic and moral divide in this country.

I don't want to say Trump is THE difference, but I doubt this stuff would be happening at the same frequencies under HRC. Trump's various platforms that are seen as anti-minority (borders and travel bans) and his implied-but-unproven chumminess with white power bullshit is empowering those people looking for an excuse (this is data driven, not supposition) to start shit and to over react to all issues of race. I think this shit was going to come to a head eventually. Trump's presidency may be accelerating it, but he's not single-handedly conjouring it from nothing.


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08-17-17 03:27 PM - Post#1703149    

Heres a story of the Klan being handled the right way. Of course back in 2012 it doesn't look like the Klan came armed.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/12/white-sup...

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08-17-17 03:39 PM - Post#1703151    

  • foolish Said:
  • PuckRogue Said:
I just don't buy it, Foolish. These rallies have been happening for decades. Is Trump the difference this year, or is it Antifa?

-PR



have they? In areas that they are unpopular in? I don't think they really have, but I'll keep looking. I tried (briefly) googling and came up empty. Though I suppose the burning obama effigies could have been considered white-y rallies....

AntiFa is a symptom, the malady is the ever increasing racial, economic and moral divide in this country.

I don't want to say Trump is THE difference, but I doubt this stuff would be happening at the same frequencies under HRC. Trump's various platforms that are seen as anti-minority (borders and travel bans) and his implied-but-unproven chumminess with white power bullshit is empowering those people looking for an excuse (this is data driven, not supposition) to start shit and to over react to all issues of race. I think this shit was going to come to a head eventually. Trump's presidency may be accelerating it, but he's not single-handedly conjouring it from nothing.





Antifa isn't just in the business of attending white supremacist and alt-right rallies like this one. They quite simply are out for anyone who has any positive things to say about Trump. The Berkeley riots wasn't an attack against white supremacist or far right wingers. It was an attack against a Jewish gay conservative who only dates black guys, who has in the past even sympathized with black lives matter and who is loathed by the alt right frontman Richard Spencer. Antifa are anti-conservative extremists who are looking for a fight wherever they can get it.

It looks like finally they met their true equals on the other side and are like rats running down a sewer you catch up with their counter-claque.

This is not what I would call a sensible response to what you cleverly call "anti-minority legislation." If this is the kind of response that people are conditioned to expect when speaking about things like immigration reform or National Security, then authoritarianism really isn't that far down the road.

As for me, I like what Winston Churchill said. I prefer to keep my politics between the Arctic and the Antarctic.

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08-17-17 03:45 PM - Post#1703152    

Just to be clear - I don't really subscribe to these platforms being anti-minority. I think they're counter productive, but not rakishly intended. I'm trying to relay the argument of people I agree with no more than I do you hard right guys.

I've really had it with the antifa. I thought it was a logical response to Trump that got out of hand here in PDX after the election.... but now I see its just a dangerous mob thats going to do something very bad very soon.
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08-17-17 03:51 PM - Post#1703153    

  • foolish Said:
  • Johnny_Upton Said:
How many Klan rallies have resulted in the kind of mayhem you see from your typical leftist protest?

The events in places like PDX are what happens when one has no self respect and believes that they are a victim 24X7



JU - I've never heard of a Klan rally that didn't include counter protesters.

Regarding your second paragraph - are you suggesting that the diff between the AntiFa and the KKK is that the KKK has self respect and a non-victim mentality?



And how many devolved into Ferguson/PDX/Seattle/Balt imore?

I'm stating one reason why some of these fringe groups think it's ok to destroy/steal.
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08-17-17 03:55 PM - Post#1703154    

  • foolish Said:

I've really had it with the antifa. I thought it was a logical response to Trump that got out of hand here in PDX after the election.... but now I see its just a dangerous mob thats going to do something very bad very soon.



Agreed with 2nd part. This is going to escalate from clubs to knives to guns.

If it's Nazi & Anti AntiFA fucks that do the dying, I won't shed a tear
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08-17-17 03:55 PM - Post#1703155    

  • Johnny_Upton Said:
  • foolish Said:
  • Johnny_Upton Said:
How many Klan rallies have resulted in the kind of mayhem you see from your typical leftist protest?

The events in places like PDX are what happens when one has no self respect and believes that they are a victim 24X7



JU - I've never heard of a Klan rally that didn't include counter protesters.

Regarding your second paragraph - are you suggesting that the diff between the AntiFa and the KKK is that the KKK has self respect and a non-victim mentality?



And how many devolved into Ferguson/PDX/Seattle/Balt imore?

I'm stating one reason why some of these fringe groups think it's ok to destroy/steal.




False equivalency!!!! Ferguson/Seattle/Baltimor e didn't include counter protests.

I was at the Seattle may day protest in 2016. fucking scary shit.
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08-17-17 03:57 PM - Post#1703156    

  • foolish Said:
Just to be clear - I don't really subscribe to these platforms being anti-minority. I think they're counter productive, but not rakishly intended. I'm trying to relay the argument of people I agree with no more than I do you hard right guys.

I've really had it with the antifa. I thought it was a logical response to Trump that got out of hand here in PDX after the election.... but now I see its just a dangerous mob thats going to do something very bad very soon.



I've always personally felt the same way about the alt right. It should be just as simple as condemning both sides.

I don't even really know what hard right means anymore. I personally describe myself as a libertarian. I'm reading a book on Nazi Germany and about 500 pages in, I noticed that hard right met in those days Pro-monarchy and that the majority of the people who are deemed hard right on this board would probably today fall into the classical liberal tradition of democratic governance that Hitler and Paul Von Hindenburg despised. It's because of this that term is like racism, extremism, and all the families of -phobia, -geny and -isms are losing their force of meaning.

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08-17-17 04:12 PM - Post#1703157    

I say "hard right" in a mostly trolling manner.

I think of "right wing" as supporting small gov and fiscal responsibility with little to no social convictions

I say "hard right" when you get into social issues (pro-life, anti-gay marriage, etc) and things like immigration.

Far-right, Alt-right or extreme right wing is when you get into social issues and support social platforms related to color, sex, creed..... i guess asshole is another term for this group.

I think I've probably used hard right a few times for the last group.... thats mean of me.
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08-17-17 04:42 PM - Post#1703159    

Look up Nazi Rally Toledo, Foolish.

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08-17-17 04:50 PM - Post#1703160    

I never really gave much thought to who constitutes the "alt-right." Ben Shapiro was on the radio yesterday. He basically hates the alt-right. They were responsible for some pretty awful anti-Semitic attacks against him on social media.

He claims they are not at all conservative in the classic sense, and that they have no real love for the constitution.

Shapiro is a constitutional conservative. He is very bright and articulate. I don't know much about him, but he seems like someone that gets it.
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08-17-17 05:24 PM - Post#1703161    

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Look up Nazi Rally Toledo, Foolish.

-PR



Noted. Good...for....the.....KKK....?????
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08-17-17 05:27 PM - Post#1703162    

  • Kanrok Said:
I never really gave much thought to who constitutes the "alt-right." Ben Shapiro was on the radio yesterday. He basically hates the alt-right. They were responsible for some pretty awful anti-Semitic attacks against him on social media.

He claims they are not at all conservative in the classic sense, and that they have no real love for the constitution.

Shapiro is a constitutional conservative. He is very bright and articulate. I don't know much about him, but he seems like someone that gets it.



I've started listening to his stuff a little more, he has a pretty fresh take on stuff and occasionally makes me re-think my positions. I fully agree that the right is a range of groups that don't necessarily have any overlap with each other. The left is the same. Not all of us are looking for a nanny state. Personally, I have more commonality with libertarians and conservatives of a purely economic nature than I do with the occupy crowd.
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08-17-17 09:29 PM - Post#1703163    

  • Kanrok Said:
I never really gave much thought to who constitutes the "alt-right." Ben Shapiro was on the radio yesterday. He basically hates the alt-right. They were responsible for some pretty awful anti-Semitic attacks against him on social media.

He claims they are not at all conservative in the classic sense, and that they have no real love for the constitution.

Shapiro is a constitutional conservative. He is very bright and articulate. I don't know much about him, but he seems like someone that gets it.



The alt-right definition varies based on who's using it.

For Dems it's anyone that doesn't agree with them, where they can call them Nazis

Imo is made up of Libertarians, constutional conservatives, tea party, etc (basically non-sell out GOP)
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08-18-17 11:05 AM - Post#1703172    

If the Alt-right is the Libertarians (economic conservatives) and the Constitutional folks (social conservatives), what does the rest of the right consist of? The RINOs?

Also, if the ALT isn't the fringe hate groups, where do you put the portion of the right who is primarily concerned with racial and sexual politics? i.e. the white power folks and the gay haters? They vote conservative, so they need to go in the tent somewhere don't they?

I hate the occupy/nanny state folks, but I recognize that they are probably all dems.

And you all group the anti-fa in with the left (ok), but since they are generally anarchist, its bit of a reach to call them democrats....... but i recognize they are under the lefty tent.
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08-18-17 11:41 AM - Post#1703175    

Yeah the white power groups are Nazis that 99% of the right doesn't want, but they will vote conservative.

I'm not sure who these gay haters are? Westboro Baptist? Do the white power folks hate gays too? (that last one is a serious question)
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08-18-17 12:02 PM - Post#1703177    

  • foolish Said:
If the Alt-right is the Libertarians (economic conservatives) and the Constitutional folks (social conservatives), what does the rest of the right consist of? The RINOs?

Also, if the ALT isn't the fringe hate groups, where do you put the portion of the right who is primarily concerned with racial and sexual politics? i.e. the white power folks and the gay haters? They vote conservative, so they need to go in the tent somewhere don't they?

I hate the occupy/nanny state folks, but I recognize that they are probably all dems.

And you all group the anti-fa in with the left (ok), but since they are generally anarchist, its bit of a reach to call them democrats....... but i recognize they are under the lefty tent.



RINO's, religious conservatives, Nationalists

FA Leadership is anarchist, it's ranks are made up of useful idiots - young liberals

IMO anarchists associating with groups that are selfdefined by identity politics seems like an odd match

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08-18-17 12:41 PM - Post#1703178    

  • Marcelino Jeopardy Said:
Yeah the white power groups are Nazis that 99% of the right doesn't want, but they will vote conservative.

I'm not sure who these gay haters are? Westboro Baptist? Do the white power folks hate gays too? (that last one is a serious question)




Wow, really?.....

Most Baptist churches teach the penalty for being gay is Hell. That isn't hate?...
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08-18-17 01:14 PM - Post#1703179    

  • Marcelino Jeopardy Said:
Yeah the white power groups are Nazis that 99% of the right doesn't want, but they will vote conservative.

I'm not sure who these gay haters are? Westboro Baptist? Do the white power folks hate gays too? (that last one is a serious question)



good question! I'm assuming the white power folks aren't exactly pro-gay rights. The nazi-loving groups definitely aren't. Most sects of fundamentalist christian groups are not pro-gay rights with their level of resistance varying... I'm sure there a some independent churches around that are aggressively anti-gay. I don't believe there are really any christian orgs that haven't resisted gay equality to some degree (think marriage as a minimum).
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08-18-17 01:48 PM - Post#1703182    

  • Marcelino Jeopardy Said:
Yeah the white power groups are Nazis that 99% of the right doesn't want, but they will vote conservative.

I'm not sure who these gay haters are? Westboro Baptist? Do the white power folks hate gays too? (that last one is a serious question)



We should probably ask Pete.*





*this is satire. In no way does the author of this post believe that Pete is a white supremacist.
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08-18-17 02:12 PM - Post#1703185    

  • Kanrok Said:
  • Marcelino Jeopardy Said:
Yeah the white power groups are Nazis that 99% of the right doesn't want, but they will vote conservative.

I'm not sure who these gay haters are? Westboro Baptist? Do the white power folks hate gays too? (that last one is a serious question)



We should probably ask Pete.*





*this is satire. In no way does the author of this post believe that Pete is a white supremacist.



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08-18-17 03:43 PM - Post#1703188    

  • Kanrok Said:
  • Marcelino Jeopardy Said:
Yeah the white power groups are Nazis that 99% of the right doesn't want, but they will vote conservative.

I'm not sure who these gay haters are? Westboro Baptist? Do the white power folks hate gays too? (that last one is a serious question)



We should probably ask Pete.*



*this is satire. In no way does the author of this post believe that Pete is a white supremacist.



Made me laugh, I gotta tell ya

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08-18-17 08:23 PM - Post#1703195    

Good laugh,, who killed more this week in the USA and Europe:

1- US Army
2- KKK
3- Trump
4- Blacks
5- Muslims
6- kolin krapernicks white family

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08-18-17 08:24 PM - Post#1703196    

white libs = cancer
white libs = aids
muslims = CANCER AIDS and death

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HEAVYWEIGHT
08-18-17 08:44 PM - Post#1703197    




HEAVYWEIGHT
legend
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HEAVYWEIGHT
08-18-17 09:05 PM - Post#1703199    

When the GGG (not triple g) Gay Gay Gay shows up, we need sum KUNG FU JOE!!!



go to 1:10 EPIC.

HEAVYWEIGHT
legend
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HEAVYWEIGHT
08-18-17 09:40 PM - Post#1703201    

I like it, this how you come together.



Kap is an ass, not his kneeling, his wearing castro t-shirts and his garbage girlfriend.

The shitty of it, most PEOPLE want kids of all colors to have a chance in this fucked up world, and I understand Trump trying to call it right, but sometimes the people who have the biggest shit pile in front of them, need to know YOU GOT THEIR BACK>

I like Trump, but he should have fucking told Black PEOPLE,,, he has their BACK. The ghettos suck, and when your family falls apart, you got a mile of bad road ahead, and it does not end well, give them some HOPE.


CRussell
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CRussell
08-18-17 09:42 PM - Post#1703202    

I think it's total bullshit how the liberal media is flaming racial tensions. Donald Trump has done zero that would indicate to me he's a racist.

I saw a picture the other day of a leftist using an aerosol can as a flame thrower against a guy holding a confederate flag in Charlottesville. There was violence from both sides. That's not Trump endorsing nazis. Total fake news.

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legend
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HEAVYWEIGHT
08-19-17 12:45 AM - Post#1703204    

If Trump would have said, I CONDEMN the KKK, 27 times, and twice on sunday, in two weeks, trump racist = CNN.

In 2 months, Trump racist = CNN

In 3 years, Trump racist huffingandpuffingcomposta lwaysbgayandMSNLSD.

CRussell
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CRussell
08-19-17 11:41 AM - Post#1703211    

Yep. I don't agree with Trump all the time but CNN is like the National Enquirer to me at this point. I'm impressed that voters can see past their bullshit.

Posux
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Posux
08-19-17 02:04 PM - Post#1703216    

Did we find any "fine" people among the Nazis yet?

PuckRogue
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PuckRogue
08-19-17 05:57 PM - Post#1703219    

  • Posux Said:
Did we find any "fine" people among the Nazis yet?



No...but there were plenty of non-Nazis protesting the statue removal. One needs only seek information from not MSM sources.

-PR

Beagle
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Beagle
08-19-17 08:04 PM - Post#1703220    

'Fine people' among the Nazi's or 'fine people' among the protesters? Trump referred to fine people amongst the protesters who were there. There are no "fine people" in neo-Nazi or white supremacist groups.

foolish
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foolish
08-19-17 10:53 PM - Post#1703222    

Trump said there were "fine" nazis. I for one believe him. The finest nazis! Nazis sooooo fine that the furher himself would applaud their naziness
PuckRogue
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PuckRogue
08-19-17 11:05 PM - Post#1703223    

Link?

-PR

PuckRogue
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PuckRogue
08-19-17 11:25 PM - Post#1703224    



Watch this. Tell me what you dislike.

-PR


Posux
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Posux
08-19-17 11:56 PM - Post#1703225    

From the guy who agrees with Trump that there were "fine" people out there the night before the troubles.

PR, did you watch the Vice doc?

PuckRogue
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PuckRogue
08-20-17 12:11 AM - Post#1703226    

Did you watch the press conference? What did you disagree with?

-PR

Posux
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Posux
08-20-17 12:57 AM - Post#1703227    

  • PuckRogue Said:
Did you watch the press conference? What did you disagree with?

-PR




You first.


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