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foolish
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01-15-18 01:39 PM - Post#1709010    



This comes from a conversation with my gun-humping father in law. I say that with a smile, not with malice.

We were talking about the new Mini-30 he bought, and the topic of AR-style weapons came up. We discussed home defense, hunting, the range.......turns out, we couldn't think of a logical use for them in a civilian setting.

Make no mistake, I respect and appreciate one's right to own one just because they like the look, or for any other reason (or not reason at all), but I wonder:

Is there a reason that a civilian would buy an AR-15 rather than a different weapon for any civilian use?
 
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01-15-18 02:13 PM - Post#1709016    


    In response to foolish

I’ve asked “gun nut” friends the same thing and I can never get a straight answer.

You can’t have fully auto. You can’t have an RPG.

Why draw a hard line at semi-auto rifles?

I’m a gun owner and a pro-gun guy...but why?

-PR


 
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01-15-18 02:32 PM - Post#1709018    


    In response to PuckRogue

I don't own one, but I've shot them.

They are a blast to shoot.

So there's that.

Plus, they are a pretty darned good self-defense gun.

So there's two reasons.

“The greatest thing we can do just unite and love on each other and like, no barriers, no borders, like, we all need to just co-exist.”

- K. Perry


 
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01-15-18 03:07 PM - Post#1709023    


    In response to Kanrok

  • Kanrok Said:
I don't own one, but I've shot them.

They are a blast to shoot.

So there's that.

Plus, they are a pretty darned good self-defense gun.

So there's two reasons.





on the fun point - agreed
on defense - diagree
- can't be suitably carried in a car or on your person (for easy access)
- too powerful for use in home - you have to worry about passing through multiple walls, into other houses. better off with a pump action shotgun or revolver like "the judge".
- difficult to store safely in an accessible manner for home defense - need to leave it unsecured or have a large-ish safe in your bedroom.
- agree they'd be great for shooting kids on the lawn or runnign from your house
 
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01-15-18 03:39 PM - Post#1709026    


    In response to foolish

What Foolish said. It’s a lousy home defense weapon, unless you’re countering a drive-by.

-PR


 
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01-15-18 04:23 PM - Post#1709032    


    In response to PuckRogue

You are so much more succinct than I
 
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01-15-18 05:10 PM - Post#1709040    


    In response to foolish

Not everyone lives in the big city or the suburbs.

Many who live along our southern border would strongly disagree with you two.

But the old axiom that a handgun is best for fighting your way to your rifle applies.

More firepower > less firepower

As far as storing an AR, it’s no less onerous than storing any other rifle.

Plus they are fun to shoot.




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01-15-18 05:58 PM - Post#1709047    


    In response to Kanrok

I will definitely give you rural/border. That does make sense.

For anything else home-defense wise I'll take a revolver firing shotgun shells
 
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01-15-18 06:08 PM - Post#1709050    


    In response to foolish

  • foolish Said:
  • Kanrok Said:
I don't own one, but I've shot them.

They are a blast to shoot.

So there's that.

Plus, they are a pretty darned good self-defense gun.

So there's two reasons.





on the fun point - agreed
on defense - diagree
- can't be suitably carried in a car or on your person (for easy access)
- too powerful for use in home - you have to worry about passing through multiple walls, into other houses. better off with a pump action shotgun or revolver like "the judge".
- difficult to store safely in an accessible manner for home defense - need to leave it unsecured or have a large-ish safe in your bedroom.
- agree they'd be great for shooting kids on the lawn or runnign from your house




Use the right ammo and over penetration becomes less of an issue

AR platforms are used in hunting (hog) though usually chambered in 6.5 creedmoor or Grendel, .308,etc
Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves.

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01-15-18 09:18 PM - Post#1709066    


    In response to Johnny_Upton

You’re right, Kanny. .000000000001% of the population would be BLEEEEGGGGHHRRRRFUUUUG

-PR


 
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01-15-18 09:49 PM - Post#1709071    


    In response to PuckRogue

I’m always right.

You should be used to it by now.
“The greatest thing we can do just unite and love on each other and like, no barriers, no borders, like, we all need to just co-exist.”

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01-15-18 11:33 PM - Post#1709084    


    In response to Johnny_Upton

  • Johnny_Upton Said:
  • foolish Said:
  • Kanrok Said:
I don't own one, but I've shot them.

They are a blast to shoot.

So there's that.

Plus, they are a pretty darned good self-defense gun.

So there's two reasons.





on the fun point - agreed
on defense - diagree
- can't be suitably carried in a car or on your person (for easy access)
- too powerful for use in home - you have to worry about passing through multiple walls, into other houses. better off with a pump action shotgun or revolver like "the judge".
- difficult to store safely in an accessible manner for home defense - need to leave it unsecured or have a large-ish safe in your bedroom.
- agree they'd be great for shooting kids on the lawn or runnign from your house





Use the right ammo and over penetration becomes less of an issue

AR platforms are used in hunting (hog) though usually chambered in 6.5 creedmoor or Grendel, .308,etc




Never thought of hogs. Don't really know anything about hog hunting (except from back in college!). Thanks.
 
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01-16-18 09:45 AM - Post#1709096    


    In response to foolish

For home defense my AR-15 has a collapsible stock making for a carbine style rifle. The magazine holds 30 rounds. In a "holy shit there's someone in my house" situation where my aim may not be as precise as it is at the range, that's a lot more corrective measures to be utilized than a handgun.

They are also very easy to use and rarely jam. In the event of a jam, they are easy to clear.

I do not use mine for home defense, I have a .38 revolver and a 40 S&W that double as carry weapons.

I think that the two handguns have just as much stopping power if not more since they are loaded with hollow points rather than the FMJ that I currently have in .223

But to each their own. A riot shotgun is likely an ideal mix of stopping power, point and shoot,and minimal unwanted penetration through walls, but I don't have one. I'll use what I already have.
 
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01-16-18 02:09 PM - Post#1709110    


    In response to phantomenforcer

I have a Ruger AR-15, and it's fun as hell to shoot. Just a good time. I don't use mine for self defense, as i dont keep it loaded. But I do have a collapsing stock so i could shorten the length if I were inclined to use it as a self defense weapon.

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/r90/...


Edited by Engine33 on 01-16-18 02:11 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
 
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