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03-19-12 11:51 PM - Post#1416711
All this Bieksa talk got me wondering who would you guys rank as the biggest spotpickers of all time???
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03-20-12 08:02 AM - Post#1416761
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I know he didnt fight much but Chris Chelios was a big spotpicker.
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03-20-12 08:10 AM - Post#1416765
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^ The guy who fought Probert, went after to tie up Brown with no linesmen or refs.....Id have to disagree on Chelios!
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03-20-12 08:22 AM - Post#1416766
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Probert dragged him into that John, and he didn't even get a major, come on now.
I won't argue spotpicker or not (you could probably say he was worth more on the ice, and not that big of a guy, and CLEARLY not a fighter), but don't pretend like Chelios was raring to go with Bobby there and actually exchanged any punches. He held on for dear life.
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03-20-12 08:30 AM - Post#1416771
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Was there really any spot pickers back in the 70's and 80's, even the early 90's? Seems like the rules of the new NHL and not holding guys accountable formed spot pickers. I know Chelios name will come up, but was he really one? The guy was never a fighter, not a heavy, buts still fought Probert, Twist.
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03-20-12 08:37 AM - Post#1416774
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"fought" Probie, lol
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03-20-12 08:49 AM - Post#1416782
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He at least dropped his gloves, he could have done a lot worse. Honestly did they even get majors?
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03-20-12 09:27 AM - Post#1416799
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Chelios loved to hit Probert when there was someone in between them...He would never drop the gloves with a real fighter...I stated that Chelly didnt fight much so i would be clear...His attack on Larry Murphy in the 92 playoff clincher showed what kind of guy he was...
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03-20-12 09:43 AM - Post#1416807
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Nope, no majors - but again, Probert totally dragged him from the pile, Chelios had no choice but to drop the gloves to vice grip Probie's jersey - what was he supposed to do? Those were the days of the Hawks "gang attacking Probie", but this time, the Wings paired off allowing Probert a shot at one of the all time chicken shits of that particular rivalry. Graham, Keith Brown, Konroyd, Jocelyn Lemieux, they all did the same thing when a scuffle would start, by using the 'pack of wolves' mentality - which is fine - but this time Probert had the opportunity to go one on one with one of those "brave souls" but Chelios wouldn't go for it, which is no shock, based on how they played him in them days. Remember, Probie would be on a line with Jimmy Carson, and the like, so he didn't have the support when the Hawks had their checking line out there. But that game, which I believe was PS, was a bit different.
The only guy about as bad from them days was Dave Lowry of the Blues. Tough guy in pack form, but when Probie got you alone, watch what they would do. Again, I almost understand it, it was Probie, but come on... You act all tough when your pals are around, then slink into the corner and shit yourself once you found yourself alone with the man. Very little respect for players of that ilk in them days. I still can't get over Stevens & Butcher from that 91 playoff series. I like Stevens, but he showed some true colors in that series. Bassen, Ron Wilson, Rich Sutter, the Cavallini boys... all cut from the same cloth. Probert fought Stevens a year or two later, and Butcher during the 9394 PS. He couldn't wait to get a shot at both after that series where both did nothing but stick him, hit him late, and goad him every shot they had... everything but the drop the mitts.
Now, don't get me wrong, there were stand up players as well. Grimson, Manson, Steve Thomas, Peluso, Kimble, Quintal, etc. They just couldn't match Probie, so the "wolfpack" mentaltiy was used.
BTW - 90-91 fighting majors leaders:
1.Chicago
2.Detroit
3.St Louis
Good times...
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03-20-12 09:50 AM - Post#1416810
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What would make this thread more interesting is if we took out all of the star players who were obviously spot-pickers (Corson, Bieksa, Pronger, Chelios etc...) and concentrate on those whose job it was to fight:
First name that comes to mind is Ben Eager...
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03-20-12 09:55 AM - Post#1416811
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Chelios loved to hit Probert when there was someone in between them...He would never drop the gloves with a real fighter...I stated that Chelly didnt fight much so i would be clear...His attack on Larry Murphy in the 92 playoff clincher showed what kind of guy he was...
He fought Twist, plus the guy wasn't a fighter, how can you be a spot picker when you aren't a fighter?
Eager is a good name.
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03-20-12 10:18 AM - Post#1416819
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^ The guy who fought Probert, went after to tie up Brown with no linesmen or refs.....Id have to disagree on Chelios!
Stop it. Please.
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03-20-12 10:26 AM - Post#1416825
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Nope, no majors - but again, Probert totally dragged him from the pile, Chelios had no choice but to drop the gloves to vice grip Probie's jersey - what was he supposed to do? Those were the days of the Hawks "gang attacking Probie", but this time, the Wings paired off allowing Probert a shot at one of the all time chicken shits of that particular rivalry. Graham, Keith Brown, Konroyd, Jocelyn Lemieux, they all did the same thing when a scuffle would start, by using the 'pack of wolves' mentality - which is fine - but this time Probert had the opportunity to go one on one with one of those "brave souls" but Chelios wouldn't go for it, which is no shock, based on how they played him in them days. Remember, Probie would be on a line with Jimmy Carson, and the like, so he didn't have the support when the Hawks had their checking line out there. But that game, which I believe was PS, was a bit different.
The only guy about as bad from them days was Dave Lowry of the Blues. Tough guy in pack form, but when Probie got you alone, watch what they would do. Again, I almost understand it, it was Probie, but come on... You act all tough when your pals are around, then slink into the corner and shit yourself once you found yourself alone with the man. Very little respect for players of that ilk in them days. I still can't get over Stevens & Butcher from that 91 playoff series. I like Stevens, but he showed some true colors in that series. Bassen, Ron Wilson, Rich Sutter, the Cavallini boys... all cut from the same cloth. Probert fought Stevens a year or two later, and Butcher during the 9394 PS. He couldn't wait to get a shot at both after that series where both did nothing but stick him, hit him late, and goad him every shot they had... everything but the drop the mitts.
Now, don't get me wrong, there were stand up players as well. Grimson, Manson, Steve Thomas, Peluso, Kimble, Quintal, etc. They just couldn't match Probie, so the "wolfpack" mentaltiy was used.
BTW - 90-91 fighting majors leaders:
1.Chicago
2.Detroit
3.St Louis
Good times...
You're talking about Chelios as if hes a fighter! LOL...My point is he cant possibly be a spot picker if he gets involved with the toughest guys. And yes, it was a pre-season game...maybe the same game Grimson fought Probert along the glass...
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03-20-12 10:32 AM - Post#1416827
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I'm not gonna say Chelios was a spot-picker. IMO, he was an agitator and maybe the most underappreciated defenseman of his time. He was also a very poor fighter. I don't ever recall him beating up anybody, even a non-fighter. I never figured him to be a skilled enough practitioner in the fighting arts to be labelled a spot-picker.
Spotpicker probably isn't the correct nomenculature, then. Maybe asshole?
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03-20-12 11:15 AM - Post#1416842
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He fought Twist, plus the guy wasn't a fighter, how can you be a spot picker when you aren't a fighter?
And I am fine/can agree with that, but let's not make it out like Chelios "fought" Probert when in reality he did everything in his power to just get the linesmen in there.
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03-20-12 11:20 AM - Post#1416845
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You're talking about Chelios as if hes a fighter! LOL...My point is he cant possibly be a spot picker if he gets involved with the toughest guys. And yes, it was a pre-season game...maybe the same game Grimson fought Probert along the glass...
Umm, no I'm not. That's the last thing I would say about Chelios.
The only reason he's NOT a spotpicker, is because he was NOT a fighter. Not because he got dragged from a pile then held on for dear life - he didn't even show bravery there. You're trying to give him credit for something he didn't do... Fight Probert.
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03-20-12 11:46 AM - Post#1416859
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Dale Hunter. Even with some of the big name guys on his card, he's got to rank up there somewhere.
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03-20-12 11:55 AM - Post#1416861
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Dale Hunter. Even with some of the big name guys on his card, he's got to rank up there somewhere.
Good call. Hunter was dirty, shameless and one of the worst bullies in the game. I would bet that any heavyweights on his card weren't by his choice.
IMO, just getting a couple of name guys on your card doesn't exclude you from being labelled a spot-picker. In some of those cases, those guys held on for dear life, or they were jumped and had no choice (e.g. Bieksa by Eager). In other cases, they came into the league blazing and trying to make a name for themselves, but were for the most part huge spot-pickers in the prime of their careers. I don't think it's a good practice to judge one's career by his exceptions.
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03-20-12 01:25 PM - Post#1416892
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Dale Hunter. Even with some of the big name guys on his card, he's got to rank up there somewhere.
Good call. Hunter was dirty, shameless and one of the worst bullies in the game. I would bet that any heavyweights on his card weren't by his choice.
IMO, just getting a couple of name guys on your card doesn't exclude you from being labelled a spot-picker. In some of those cases, those guys held on for dear life, or they were jumped and had no choice (e.g. Bieksa by Eager). In other cases, they came into the league blazing and trying to make a name for themselves, but were for the most part huge spot-pickers in the prime of their careers. I don't think it's a good practice to judge one's career by his exceptions.
True, but Chelios wasn't a fighter. His fights were a bonus, whats next Mario being a spot picker?
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