Southpaw
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12-10-07 09:49 PM - Post#840430
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[quote=InVain316][quote=harryman3][quote=Southpaw][quote=Brawls16][quote=Shorty25]You think Forrest will be fighting Rampage for the title? I do 
[/quote]How on Earth Griffin gets a shot at Rampage for the title is beyond me. Dana has Forrest as the #1 contender?????
First of all, Forrest has lost 2 of his last 5 fights.
Second of all, MMAWeekly.com has Griffin at the #8 spot in the light heavyweight department while MMANews.com has him at #5.
Rashad Evans, 11-0
Michael Bisping, 15-1
Thiago Silva, 12-0
Mauricio Rua, who TKO'd Rampage....
Henderson, Liddell, Silva[/quote]
Brawls16: I cant believe i`m saying this but I actually have to agree with Dana for once..As crazy as it sounds, I cant think of anyone who actually deserves the title shot at all, so why not the guy who finished the #1 ranked LHW in the world (over Rampage) in Shogun Rua? Bisping and Evans? No Way!! Both 2nd tier fighters who need to fight and beat 1st tier fighters and actually finish them. Thiago Silva needs to beat one top tier fighter before deserving of a shot. Shogun just lost to Forrest. Henderson is moving down to MW to fight Silva for the title on 3/1 in Columbus, OH. Liddell coming off two consecutive losses. Silva coming off a long layoff and loss to Hendo. If he beats Liddell, then I would give him a title shot against Rampage, but Rampage needs to defend his title soon, so Silva could be next in line. Jardine is also an arguable candidate to fight Rampage, but I would give Forrest an edge over him just for beating the #1 ranked LHW in the world. I personally dont think Forrest matches up that well against Rampage and will lose, but hopefully that will set up a future Wanderlai Silva/Rampage title fight. If Silva is back in form, that will be great!!!![/quote]
Southpaw,
Where does Lyoto Michida fit into the light-heavyweight picture? He has a clean record @ 10-0
so I would assume that he is somewhat legit. The rap on Lyoto seems to be that he is a somewhat "boring" fighter. I haven't seen enough of him to form an opinion.
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Machida is near the top, for sure. He has an 11-0 record, but he hasn't faced the top competition in the UFC thus far. He was actually supposed to face Forrest, but Forrest requested Shogun. The rest is history....
I can see where people view him as boring, but I view him as a cerebral, crisp fighter. Very well rounded and hits harder then most think he does. At this stage, he just doesn't have the name to sell as an opponent to face Rampage, and he really hasn't beet the UFC's best to warrent a title shot. He's booked to face Sokoudjou, which is a VERY intriguing fight. I'm really looking forward to that one.[/quote]
This is exactly how I see Machida and his current position in the UFC. The division is so stacked right now, and Machida isnt the marketing machine that Dana and Zuffa have in a guy like Forrest. They want to milk him along and are in no rush to put him in a title fight position. I bet Dana and Zuffa are hoping Forrest upsets Rampage, even though Rampage is also a fan favorite. I am very interested in seeing Machida againt Sokoudjou. Soko trains with Henderson and will be a test for Machida and vice versa. If he beats Soko, I think one more fight against a bigger name and he`s in line for a title shot.
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12-10-07 11:30 PM - Post#840469
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WEC card this Wed is going to be nice man. I honestly hope that every champ loses their fights in convincing fashion. I watched the preview of the card and all three of them are he most annoying fucking loudmouth jerkoffs I have seen in a long time.
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InVain316
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12-10-07 11:31 PM - Post#840470
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WEC card this Wed is going to be nice man. I honestly hope that every champ loses their fights in convincing fashion. I watched the preview of the card and all three of them are he most annoying fucking loudmouth jerkoffs I have seen in a long time.
hahaha, I didn't watch the preview, but I can't STAND Faber. I root for him to lose every fight... but he's damn good.
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Rye
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12-10-07 11:39 PM - Post#840472
In response to InVain316
What do you guys think of Bonnar? Obviously he had the historic bout with Griffin then struggled in his next few fights with Jardine and Evans, then got suspended. Can he follow in Griffins steps and rise to the top of the division or will he just be one of those mid-level guys?
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Ipsick
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12-10-07 11:53 PM - Post#840475
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Bonnar was suspended?
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InVain316
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12-10-07 11:56 PM - Post#840477
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Ya, Bonnar tested positive for roids after the second Griffen fight... I don't know. I was never a huge fan of his. He's a good fighter, but I don't see him ever being a title contender. He's a tough guy, with a good chin and very good skills in all areas but he just doesn't excite for some reason.
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shmeegs
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12-11-07 12:08 PM - Post#840658
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Bonnar is a decent fighter but hasn't done jack other than his fights with Griffin. He got caught with roids and now is suspended.
Oh and there is no doubt that Faber is good. He's so damn explosive and that is what catches alot of guys off guard, but he's finally facing a guy who is just as talented and is just as explosive. That one should be the fight of the night,
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InVain316
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12-11-07 12:17 PM - Post#840667
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Bonnar has completed his suspension and has a couple of wins since coming back. He did look different without the sauce though.
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shmeegs
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12-11-07 12:26 PM - Post#840673
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What cracks me up with athletes (especially those who have weight limits) is the "I didn't know I was taking it" line. I wrestled in HS and I knew everything that was going into my body. Every pill, every thing that I ate, to making sure that the water I was drinking wasn't unfiltered. I don't buy the line at all and honestly, it just makes the sport and the athletes look just stupid and lazy.
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Runnin_Amuk
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12-11-07 01:07 PM - Post#840711
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[quote=Southpaw][quote=InVain316][quote=harryman3][quote=Southpaw][quote=Brawls16][quote=Shorty25]You think Forrest will be fighting Rampage for the title? I do
[/quote]How on Earth Griffin gets a shot at Rampage for the title is beyond me. Dana has Forrest as the #1 contender?????
First of all, Forrest has lost 2 of his last 5 fights.
Second of all, MMAWeekly.com has Griffin at the #8 spot in the light heavyweight department while MMANews.com has him at #5.
Rashad Evans, 11-0
Michael Bisping, 15-1
Thiago Silva, 12-0
Mauricio Rua, who TKO'd Rampage....
Henderson, Liddell, Silva[/quote]
Brawls16: I cant believe i`m saying this but I actually have to agree with Dana for once..As crazy as it sounds, I cant think of anyone who actually deserves the title shot at all, so why not the guy who finished the #1 ranked LHW in the world (over Rampage) in Shogun Rua? Bisping and Evans? No Way!! Both 2nd tier fighters who need to fight and beat 1st tier fighters and actually finish them. Thiago Silva needs to beat one top tier fighter before deserving of a shot. Shogun just lost to Forrest. Henderson is moving down to MW to fight Silva for the title on 3/1 in Columbus, OH. Liddell coming off two consecutive losses. Silva coming off a long layoff and loss to Hendo. If he beats Liddell, then I would give him a title shot against Rampage, but Rampage needs to defend his title soon, so Silva could be next in line. Jardine is also an arguable candidate to fight Rampage, but I would give Forrest an edge over him just for beating the #1 ranked LHW in the world. I personally dont think Forrest matches up that well against Rampage and will lose, but hopefully that will set up a future Wanderlai Silva/Rampage title fight. If Silva is back in form, that will be great!!!![/quote]
Southpaw,
Where does Lyoto Michida fit into the light-heavyweight picture? He has a clean record @ 10-0
so I would assume that he is somewhat legit. The rap on Lyoto seems to be that he is a somewhat "boring" fighter. I haven't seen enough of him to form an opinion.
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Machida is near the top, for sure. He has an 11-0 record, but he hasn't faced the top competition in the UFC thus far. He was actually supposed to face Forrest, but Forrest requested Shogun. The rest is history....
I can see where people view him as boring, but I view him as a cerebral, crisp fighter. Very well rounded and hits harder then most think he does. At this stage, he just doesn't have the name to sell as an opponent to face Rampage, and he really hasn't beet the UFC's best to warrent a title shot. He's booked to face Sokoudjou, which is a VERY intriguing fight. I'm really looking forward to that one.[/quote]
This is exactly how I see Machida and his current position in the UFC. The division is so stacked right now, and Machida isnt the marketing machine that Dana and Zuffa have in a guy like Forrest. They want to milk him along and are in no rush to put him in a title fight position. I bet Dana and Zuffa are hoping Forrest upsets Rampage, even though Rampage is also a fan favorite. I am very interested in seeing Machida againt Sokoudjou. Soko trains with Henderson and will be a test for Machida and vice versa. If he beats Soko, I think one more fight against a bigger name and he`s in line for a title shot.[/quote]
Nice, is that Machida/Soko fight legit? I haven;t heard anything about it untill now. I though Soko was fighting in a different org? If he is coming to UFC that is great news, and there a guy that can shake up the 205 class.
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