mesten
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12-11-07 01:29 PM - Post#840741
In response to Runnin Amok
Yeah...the Soko/Machida fight is a definate.
As for Bonnar, I don't see him as anything other than a fringe guy. He'd be a good matchup for anyone coming off TUF, cause he's got a name people recognize. That said, he doesn't really have KO power, or great submissions.
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Ipsick
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12-11-07 01:42 PM - Post#840769
In response to Runnin Amok
Thanks for the info guys.
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 Johnny_Upton
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12-11-07 08:02 PM - Post#841121
In response to Runnin Amok
I guess I don’t see the 205 camp as stacked as everyone else
Henderson is dropping to 185
Bisping doesn’t belong at 205
Evans & T Silva need a fight against a top guy to see if they’re ready.
Machida needs to beat Soko to prove himself worthy
Chuck needs to beat Wandy to stay in the game.
Not sure where Tito is, probably waiting for the next Shamrock fight.
Not sure if any of the above are better than Arona or Little Nog.
Rua, Wandy, & Soko are all legit
I don’t understand why Dana is waiting for so long to have Rampage defend his belt. They’re wasting any momentum from Chuck V Wandy as the earliest they could probably challenge for the belt is late next year. Which should be followed up by the Winner of Machida/Soko fighting Rua for the next crack at the belt.
Just my opinion but Dana is wasting the talent he’s assembled.
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mesten
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12-11-07 08:30 PM - Post#841135
In response to Johnny_Upton
Rampage had a hand injury so he couldn't defend the belt for awhile.
I think Bisping will probably drop to 185.
Tito needs a big win to stay in the picture. I think his next fight will either be Rua or Wandy.
T Silva and Evans I think would be a great matchup with each other.
There's also still Jardine and Forrest in the division as well.
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InVain316
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12-12-07 01:32 AM - Post#841371
In response to mesten
Take it for what it's worth, but Vitor Belfort is in discussions with the UFC... Possible rematch with Tito.
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Runnin_Amuk
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12-12-07 10:44 AM - Post#841520
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I guess I don’t see the 205 camp as stacked as everyone else
Henderson is dropping to 185
Bisping doesn’t belong at 205
Evans & T Silva need a fight against a top guy to see if they’re ready.
Machida needs to beat Soko to prove himself worthy
Chuck needs to beat Wandy to stay in the game.
Not sure where Tito is, probably waiting for the next Shamrock fight.
Not sure if any of the above are better than Arona or Little Nog.
Rua, Wandy, & Soko are all legit
I don’t understand why Dana is waiting for so long to have Rampage defend his belt. They’re wasting any momentum from Chuck V Wandy as the earliest they could probably challenge for the belt is late next year. Which should be followed up by the Winner of Machida/Soko fighting Rua for the next crack at the belt.
Just my opinion but Dana is wasting the talent he’s assembled.
JU- I am not the biggest Dana fan either, but...I have to give him credit for the talent he assembled at 205. It is as stacked as you are going to get, and some of it is home grown...which I have to give the credit for from a business standpoint. Griffen vs Jackson could be a very exciting fight. But...when it's all said and done, who else could he have matched it up with? Everyone in the division is pretty much coming off losses, and so far Machida is still relatively unknown in the UFC(which I do feel in the UFC's fault) IMO he is a very talented fighter, and one of the best counter punchers in the sport. But still, in looking for the big fight, Dana IMO did a good job here. Griffen is a huge draw for the UFC, but the fans can now identify with Rampage too. If somehow Forrest pulls this fight out of his ass, the place will go bannanas. If Rampage wins, it is pretty mch expected anyway, but no matter this fight is going to draw. But it sets up some very interesting matchups to follow. Especially with Soku in the mix. Lots of possibilities now, and if Belfort is truly coming back into the mix it's another big name(although not as talented as he once was) into the game, which could make for some interesting combinations. If Bisping was to stay 205, that's a pretty solid matchup right there. Would probably be a good stand up war.
The top of the class
Quinton Rampage Jackson
Shogun Rua
Chuck Liddell
Lyoto Machida
Wanderlei Silva
Rameau Sokodjou<sp>
Tito Ortiz
So even with Hendo dropping down, even the up and coming talent there is stacked. At this point I don't even know where to put Griffen, but he just beat what many considered the top 205lber in the game.
Forrest Griffen
Rashad Evans
Houston Alexander
Thiago Silva
Michael Bisping
Matt Hamill
Keith Jardine
There are just so many possibilities here, but the only thing I really fault Dana for is keeping Machida on the down low here. Other than that I think the UFC in general has done a very good job of 1) bringing in the talent and 2) matchmaking the right fights. The only thing that really sucks about the org is they are raking in some major profits, and still grossly underpaying fighters.
I read somewhere that the UFC in 2006 grossed $211,000,000 in PPV Buys alone! That's w/out all the gates, the TV contracts, endorsements etc. The company is a monster.But...if they don't start paying these guys, I think we will see the talent pool more and more diluted. Too many shows out there already, each with some damn good fighters that would spice up each division.
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harryman3
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12-12-07 10:57 AM - Post#841530
In response to Runnin Amok
Amuk,
Great Post & Insight!
Thanks,
Harry
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Harrison
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12-12-07 01:39 PM - Post#841730
In response to InVain316
Take it for what it's worth, but Vitor Belfort is in discussions with the UFC... Possible rematch with Tito.
I'd like to see Vitor and Silvia have a rematch too.
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12-12-07 02:00 PM - Post#841751
In response to Harrison
Good post Runnin. Cant believe Clay Guida only made $11,000 for his fight when TUF nobodies made $8,000! And the TUF nobodies who won received $16,000, LOL..
Here are all the TUF 6 Finale payouts:
Roger Huerta — $38,000 ($19,000 to show, $19,000 to win)
Clay Guida — $11,000
Huerta defeated defeated Guida via submission (rear naked choke) in round three
Mac Danzig — $16,000 ($8,000 to show, $8,000 to win)
Tommy Speer — $8,000
Danzig defeated Speer via submission (rear naked choke) in round one
Jon “War Machine” Koppenhaver — $16,000 ($8,000 to show, $8,000 to win)
Jared Rollins — $8,000
Koppenhaver defeated Rollins via technical knockout (strikes) in round three
George Sotiropoulos — $16,000 ($8,000 to show, $8,000 to win)
Billy Miles — $8,000
Sotiropoulos defeated Miles via submission (rear naked choke) in round one
Ben Saunders — $16,000 ($8,000 to show, $8,000 to win)
Dan Barrera — $8,000
Saunders defeated Barrera via unanimous decision
Troy “Rude Boy” Mandaloniz — $16,000 ($8,000 to show, $8,000 to win)
Richie Hightower — $8,000
Mandaloniz defeated Hightower via technical knockout (strikes) in round one
Matt Arroyo — $16,000 ($8,000 to show, $8,000 to win)
John Kolosci — $8,000
Arroyo defeated Kolosci via submission (arm bar) in round one
Roman Mitichyan — $16,000 ($8,000 to show, $8,000 to win)
Dorian Price — $8,000
Mitichyan defeated Price via submission (ankle lock) in round one
Jonathan Goulet — $14,000 ($7,000 to show, $7,000 to win)
Paul Georgieff — $8,000
Goulet defeated Georgieff via submission (rear naked choke) in round one
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mesten
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12-12-07 02:57 PM - Post#841801
In response to Southpaw
I'm not too sure what Vitor will bring into the LHW mix. If he fights like he used to, he'll of course be a force. However, if he is as hot and cold as he's been over the last few years, I can see him dropping some boring decisions, and being out of the UFC within two years.
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