Young_Crackola
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09-20-08 02:26 AM - Post#949853
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnYKxTc_MHM
I honestly don't understand how anyone can defend this guy. This shit is why fighting is trying to be banned in juniors.
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slamb-d
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09-20-08 03:42 AM - Post#949854
In response to Crackola
Okay….
Plymouth Whaler runs a Kitchener player from behind into the boards. One of the most chicken-shit plays you can do in hockey.
Mascioli goes after said Plymouth player for trying to turn his teammate’s spine into a pretzel.
Please explain what Mascioli did wrong, and why you have no problem with the Whaler trying to put the Ranger into a wheelchair.
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Bare_Knuckle_Videos
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09-20-08 05:01 AM - Post#949857
In response to slamb-d
Okay….
Plymouth Whaler runs a Kitchener player from behind into the boards. One of the most chicken-shit plays you can do in hockey.
Mascioli goes after said Plymouth player for trying to turn his teammate’s spine into a pretzel.
Please explain what Mascioli did wrong, and why you have no problem with the Whaler trying to put the Ranger into a wheelchair.
I'd like to know the answer as well.
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CHRISCOLE
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09-20-08 05:54 AM - Post#949858
In response to Bare_Knuckle_Videos
me too,
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09-20-08 06:39 AM - Post#949861
In response to slamb-d
Okay….
Plymouth Whaler runs a Kitchener player from behind into the boards. One of the most chicken-shit plays you can do in hockey.
Mascioli goes after said Plymouth player for trying to turn his teammate’s spine into a pretzel.
Please explain what Mascioli did wrong, and why you have no problem with the Whaler trying to put the Ranger into a wheelchair.
Ditto. This is what enforcement is all about. Nothing wrong with what Mascioli did, only with what the Plymouth guy did, and he paid for it.
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Peatycap
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09-20-08 07:13 AM - Post#949863
In response to Jax
Looked good to me. They said that was third player to be run.
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Kramer
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09-20-08 07:45 AM - Post#949867
In response to Peatycap
As the announcers said, it was the 3rd hit from behind in the game as well. Also keep in mind how Jozef Sladok beat up on the Rangers in the playoffs at the end of last season. These two teams rarely need a real reason to get it going. Plymouth provided 3. Geldart rode him in, it's hardly as bad as it looks, but by this point in the game, KIT wasn't going to stand pat and keep watching it. I would hope any Whaler would do the same in that situation.
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Kramer
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09-20-08 07:54 AM - Post#949869
In response to Kramer
One of the previous hits/fights
Mike Yovanic Vs Brandon Mashinter
The first hit was Leo Jenner hitting the same kid (Akeson) from behind, but no fights ensued.
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Cane
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09-20-08 09:15 AM - Post#949880
In response to Kramer
That's still a hit from behind and it needs to be dealt with in an appropriate manner. i don't see anything wrong with the KIT player dropping his mitts and sticking up for his teammates.
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coalinga
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09-20-08 09:49 AM - Post#949889
In response to Cane
I guess Mascioli should have been more careful with the refs but other than that it's a great move stepping in.
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Young_Crackola
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09-20-08 10:03 AM - Post#949894
In response to coalinga
Enforcement is all about sucker punching someone who is being held by the linesman? Fuck I know don't what I grew up watching but I guess it wasn't enforcement. Only once to my knowledge have I ever seen anything like that and it was Probert on Mags. Thats embarrising and to flat out sucker punch a guy who has no chance of fighting back IS NOT FUCKING ENFORCING. I don't know where you guys come up with that nonsense...it's not an eye for an eye in hockey.
Now will Mascioli defend what he did against Yovanic? no...not gonna happen and its going to be "okay" because Yovanic is "too big" you gotta be fucking kidding me. Again this guy continues to make enforcers look bad and he still gets credit for it. It's amazing. if Geldart had gotten hurt while Mascioli was swinging away people would be singing a different tune & hating Mascioli as this would be a big deal so early in the season.
I will ask again...how was that enforcing?
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09-20-08 12:09 PM - Post#949915
In response to Crackola
It is an eye for an eye in hockey, that's the very definition of enforcing isn't it?
I don't know what other shenanigans this guy has been into, but from just that video, it looks like a guy got run from behind, and this other guy went after him. Yes, it's not ideal to hit a guy when he's tied up with a linesman, but in a situation like that it's not like the guy doesn't deserve it. Either give him the few extras to send the message, or else you'll have to chase him around again later in the game, if he's not already kicked out.
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09-20-08 01:29 PM - Post#949925
In response to KrisKing
I think hitting a guy into the boards from behind is 100 times worse and more of a cheapshot than a little jab (sucker punch).And i'm sure the Whaler player knew he was in a fight caused by his actions so he had to be ready for anything.
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coalinga
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09-20-08 01:35 PM - Post#949927
In response to KrisKing
I think you would be more accurate if you said that it's not enforcing as it has been the last years. If you add the 70s and large parts of the 80s and perhaps even a bit of the 90s you get a different picture. Hell you could even throw in the 50s and the 60s into the equation. Then you get about 40 years of stickswinging, hairgrabbing cheapshoting benchclearing enforcement.
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enforcer21
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09-20-08 07:20 PM - Post#949992
In response to coalinga
None of those hits are even really THAT bad. Those guys need to learn how to not leave themselves wide open for that shit. Keep in mind this is juniors. Those guys were acting a little to draw the penalty, too, and besides it almost looked liek they didn't mind getting hit from behind.
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Young_Crackola
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09-20-08 08:20 PM - Post#950013
In response to Bare_Knuckle_Videos
- Bare_Knuckle_Videos Said:
I think hitting a guy into the boards from behind is 100 times worse and more of a cheapshot than a little jab (sucker punch).And i'm sure the Whaler player knew he was in a fight caused by his actions so he had to be ready for anything.
When you turn your back to a checker thats what happens. Players are doing that just to draw penaltys now and its pathetic learn to take a check or fucking don't play hockey. Geldart had clearly lined the guy up before his back was to him.
Jumping a guy who cannot fight back thanks to a referee holding onto him when the guy (Geldart) would fight you the next shift is far from less dirty. Had Geldart been hurt this would have been a huge deal but since he is fine its nothing.
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09-20-08 08:53 PM - Post#950028
In response to Crackola
I don't see anything wrong with what he did. He came to the defense of his teammate that took a cheap shot.
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09-20-08 11:21 PM - Post#950078
In response to plett
Both of those were very dirty hits. I see nothing wrong with going after a guy/team that does that kind of garbage.
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Drunk_24-7
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09-21-08 12:42 AM - Post#950089
In response to Cotton
The worst behaviour found in this clip was that of the linesmen for not stepping back and allowing the fight to take place and the issue to be resolved. The hits weren't all that bad, but they were from behind, which is always dangerous. The announcers said it was the third one, so it was definately time for somene to step up and send the message that it will not be tolerated. Props to Mascioli for sticking up for his teammates. If the linesmen had Geldart tied up, thems the breaks, when you hit someone from behind you gotta be ready for anything and expect that people could and actually should be comming at you from all angles.
It would be dirty had they squared up for a fight, and Mascioli took some cheap shots after they fell with Geldart tied up by the linesmen. In this instance, it wasn't straight up fight between two guys wanting to see who the man is, it's a case of one guy being a good teammate and looking to get his hands on the player who just ran his teammate from behind and punch him in the face. I can't fault him for that.
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playoffbeard
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09-25-08 10:06 AM - Post#951974
In response to Drunk_24-7
Suspensions have been announced:
Kitchener Mike Mascioli 5 Games
Kitchener Alex Dzielski 2 Games
Plymouth Christian Steingraber 4 Games
Plymouth Leo Jenner 5 Games
I'm kind of suprised that Yanovic got no games, but I don't really have an issue with it either. Just suprised that with his reputation and Branch in the building, he might have tried to send a message.
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Kramer
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09-25-08 10:48 AM - Post#952012
In response to playoffbeard
Jenner is a repeat offender, so taht was a no brainer. Steingraber, 4 games for a secondary fight???!?!?? Jesus....
Yovanic has no record, and not much of a rep since he played so sparingly last season. Not to mention, IMO, those hits weren't as serious as people let on.
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Eggbert
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09-25-08 12:12 PM - Post#952062
In response to Kramer
Geldart should get 10 games for a gutless hit, and Mascioli should get NOTHING
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Kramer
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09-25-08 01:25 PM - Post#952136
In response to Eggbert
Gutless?, he wrapped him up and carried him in, christ.... that's why he didn't get suspended. Cripes 5 minutes was more than enough punishment.
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09-25-08 05:09 PM - Post#952259
In response to Kramer
Speaking of Yanovic, he's been traded today...
LONDON, ONTARIO: London Knights General Manager Mark Hunter today announced the acquisition of Left Winger Mike Yovanic from the Plymouth Whalers. In exchange the London Knights send the Whalers an 8th Round Pick in 2010. Yovanic, 19 is in his 2nd season in the Ontario Hockey League.
Yovanic will join the London Knights on Friday, September 26, 2008 when they host the Windsor Spitfires at the John Labatt Centre at 7:30 PM.
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Kramer
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09-27-08 08:30 AM - Post#953067
In response to playoffbeard
...and did quite well with a guy most consider #1 in the O.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEYEe6yUFTk
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Kramer
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10-13-08 10:16 AM - Post#960471
In response to Kramer
Where were you Mr. Crackola?
For Immediate Release
Sunday, October 12, 2008
Contact: Michelle Fortin
Manager of Community and Media Relations
mfortin@kitchenerrangers.com
Rangers players involved in car accident - 10/12/2008
At around 7:00 pm on Saturday evening, a vehicle driven by Kitchener Rangers player Mike Mascioli was struck by a pickup truck when travelling through the intersection at Franklin Boulevard and Weber Street.
All five occupants of the vehicle, including teammate Kevin Hudes were taken to hospital.
Mascioli, Hudes and two other passengers were treated for injuries and released from hospital last night. The remaining passenger was transferred to a Hamilton hospital with non-life threatening injuries.
The 18 year old driver of the pickup truck was not seriously hurt and has been charged with failing to stop for a red light.
"It is the type of telephone call that you never want to receive" said Rangers Chief Operating Officer Steve Bienkowski. "Although any type of injury scares you, you are thankful that all the young people affected by this were not more seriously injured."
Thank goodness the boys aren't seriously injured. Hope the person remaining in the hospital is going to be OK.
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Harris14
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10-18-08 05:42 AM - Post#963099
In response to Kramer
Wow what a topic. Glad to see most people are supporting Mascioli here. Not sure why crackola has a hate on for Mascioli...? What other suposedly devious deeds has he comitted? Id be very curious to know, as the way you worded things it seems he has a long list of gutless deeds in his past that perhaps you could enlighten us on...?
He did what was needed at the time, and the suspension was total bs. If the linesmen had let things go it likely would have been a one on one fight, and things wouldn't have progressed as they did. After 3 hits from behind in a row(however severe), and little answer back, it was well past the time for immeadiate pay back.
I also hate how players sometimes turn their backs to hits, but this was not a case of that. I attend almost every ranger home game and I have never seen this tactic from them, or any current particular player on a regular basis. And btw...after this game Denver Manderson(whom Yovanic hit), left the ohl, so if this is a supposed ploy, it's interesting how things worked out hmmm....
If stupid Mashinter had flown in after Jenner after the very first hit...like he should have...all this likely wouldn't have happened.
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10-18-08 12:40 PM - Post#963198
In response to Harris14
Nothing wrong with what Mascioli did... and its a freaking shame that someone who is a member on FC thinks otherwise.
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