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11-22-12 01:12 AM - Post#1487549    



http://www.alternet.org/belief/year-jail-not- belie...

In Kentucky, a homeland security law requires the state’s citizens to acknowledge the security provided by the Almighty God--or risk 12 months in prison.

The law and its sponsor, state representative Tom Riner, have been the subject of controversy since the law first surfaced in 2006, yet the Kentucky state Supreme Court has refused to review its constitutionality, despite clearly violating the First Amendment’s separation of church and state.

"This is one of the most egregiously and breathtakingly unconstitutional actions by a state legislature that I've ever seen," said Edwin Kagin, the legal director of American Atheists', a national organization focused defending the civil rights of atheists. American Atheists’ launched a lawsuit against the law in 2008, which won at the Circuit Court level, but was then overturned by the state Court of Appeals.

The law states, "The safety and security of the Commonwealth cannot be achieved apart from reliance upon Almighty God as set forth in the public speeches and proclamations of American Presidents, including Abraham Lincoln's historic March 30, 1863, presidential proclamation urging Americans to pray and fast during one of the most dangerous hours in American history, and the text of President John F. Kennedy's November 22, 1963, national security speech which concluded: "For as was written long ago: 'Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.'"

The law requires that plaques celebrating the power of the Almighty God be installed outside the state Homeland Security building--and carries a criminal penalty of up to 12 months in jail if one fails to comply. The plaque’s inscription begins with the assertion, “The safety and security of the Commonwealth cannot be achieved apart from reliance upon Almighty God.”

Tom Riner, a Baptist minister and the long-time Democratic state representative, sponsored the law.

“The church-state divide is not a line I see,” Riner told The New York Times shortly after the law was first challenged in court. “What I do see is an attempt to separate America from its history of perceiving itself as a nation under God.”

A practicing Baptist minister, Riner is solely devoted to his faith--even when that directly conflicts with his job as state representative. He has often been at the center of unconstitutional and expensive controversies throughout his 26 years in office. In the last ten years, for example, the state has spent more than $160,000 in string of losing court cases against the American Civil Liberties Union over the state’s decision to display the Ten Commandments in public buildings, legislation that Riner sponsored.

Although the Kentucky courts have yet to strike down the law, some judges have been explicit about its unconstitutionality.

"Kentucky's law is a legislative finding, avowed as factual, that the Commonwealth is not safe absent reliance on Almighty God. Further, (the law) places a duty upon the executive director to publicize the assertion while stressing to the public that dependence upon Almighty God is vital, or necessary, in assuring the safety of the commonwealth,” wrote Judge Ann O'Malley Shake in Court of Appeals’ dissenting opinion.

This rational was in the minority, however, as the Court of Appeals reversed the lower courts’ decision that the law was unconstitutional.

Last week, American Atheists submitted a petition to the U.S. Supreme Court to review the law.

Riner, meanwhile, continues to abuse the state representative’s office, turning it into a pulpit for his God-fearing message.

"The safety and security of the state cannot be achieved apart from recognizing our dependence upon God," Riner recently t old Fox News.

"We believe dependence on God is essential. ... What the founding fathers stated and what every president has stated, is their reliance and recognition of Almighty God, that's what we're doing," he said.
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11-22-12 01:15 AM - Post#1487550    


    In response to Cotton

I know, I know.....

"Why you picking on religion?"

Seriously, this was so fucking stupid it HAD to be posted. This is some "lost in time" shit. I never even knew about this before seeing this article that there has been an actual law on the books in Kentucky like this. How do we allow legislation like this to be around and people to propose it? This is bordering on witch burning type of crazy IMO.
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11-22-12 07:06 AM - Post#1487569    


    In response to Cotton

This is some Saudi Arabia type nonsense.
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11-22-12 07:09 AM - Post#1487572    


    In response to Tim-

cant you get arrested in numerous states for banging your wife in the ass?


 
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11-22-12 07:11 AM - Post#1487573    


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Or getting a hummer.

The Army still has sodomy illegal, though being gay is okay.
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11-22-12 07:19 AM - Post#1487574    


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Religious psychos are the creepiest people. Apparently much of Kentucky falls into that category.

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11-22-12 08:03 AM - Post#1487579    


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  • Tim- Said:
Or getting a hummer.

The Army still has sodomy illegal, though being gay is okay.



its a "tops" only policy


 
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11-22-12 08:57 AM - Post#1487595    


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Oh you guys are understating things. This is MUCH WORSE than what they do in Saudi Arabia.

A government plaque that mentions God!! Can you imagine! It's almost as bad as all those times that religious wackjobs like Abraham Lincoln and JFK declared the USA a country under God's rule.

And yes, obviously this is just one tiny step away from burning witches at a stake. I'd be surprised if that wasn't happening within a year.
 
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11-22-12 09:07 AM - Post#1487601    


    In response to Marcelino Jeopardy

Anybody who thinks it is constitutional to put someone in jail for failing to believe in God please raise your hand.

Now, all those who raised their hands, please leave the country.

You are beyond help.

That is all.

Oh, wait!

Look over there!

It's a PLAQUE WITH THE WORD "GOD" ON IT!

OUCH! MY EYES! MY SWEET ATHEIST EYES! NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
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11-22-12 09:22 AM - Post#1487608    


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And here I didn't think our three Dumbsketeers would ever defend this. I am sure tres will be along any moment, now.

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11-22-12 09:24 AM - Post#1487609    


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And I do agree that the only thing worse than a moron who would come up with a way to defend this story in any way is a militant athiest who runs around taking down crosses.

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Marcelino Jeopardy
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11-22-12 09:32 AM - Post#1487613    


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  • PuckRogue Said:
And I do agree that the only thing worse than a moron who would come up with a way to defend this story in any way is a militant athiest who runs around taking down crosses.

-PR



Isn't that essentially what's happening here? How is this any different than having "In God we Trust" on your money?
 
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11-22-12 09:34 AM - Post#1487615    


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Don't feed the angry atheist trolls, KK.

Especially those with little or no ability to understand the written word.
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11-22-12 09:35 AM - Post#1487616    


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  • KrisKing Said:
Oh you guys are understating things. This is MUCH WORSE than what they do in Saudi Arabia.

A government plaque that mentions God!! Can you imagine! It's almost as bad as all those times that religious wackjobs like Abraham Lincoln and JFK declared the USA a country under God's rule.

And yes, obviously this is just one tiny step away from burning witches at a stake. I'd be surprised if that wasn't happening within a year.



If your standard of government fairness is a country that just now allowed women to drive, then I am incredibly happy you're not an American politician.
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11-22-12 09:36 AM - Post#1487620    


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  • KrisKing Said:
  • PuckRogue Said:
And I do agree that the only thing worse than a moron who would come up with a way to defend this story in any way is a militant athiest who runs around taking down crosses.

-PR



Isn't that essentially what's happening here? How is this any different than having "In God we Trust" on your money?



Interesting fact: "In God We Trust" first appeared on our money in 1956.

Well after we first used printed money.

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11-22-12 09:37 AM - Post#1487621    


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  • Tim- Said:
This is some Saudi Arabia type nonsense.



You must have forgotten you posted this, it was a couple hours ago already.
 
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11-22-12 09:39 AM - Post#1487623    


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Slippery slope? Oh wait, that argument is only valid when talking about gay rights.
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11-22-12 09:41 AM - Post#1487624    


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Yeah, because it's as absurd to force religion on Americans. This type of stuff happens in SA. It shouldn't happen here.
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11-22-12 09:47 AM - Post#1487626    


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Fine. The almighty god is keeping Kentucky secure. I acknowledge that...to keep my ass out of jail.

Kind'a like when you sheeple acknowledge the almighty god because you can't fathom your own mortality...to keep your ass out of rotting in a hole.

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11-22-12 10:21 AM - Post#1487634    


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From the Kentucky appellate court decision, reversing the trial court, and determining that the statute in question was constitutional:

"...In its complaint, American Atheists specifically alleged its members suffered physical and emotional damages, which included somatic discomforts, mental pain and anguish, and anxiety...."

OWW! MY ATHEIST STOMACH HURTS WHEN I LOOK AT A PLAQUE WITH THE WORD "GOD" ON IT!

LOL.
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