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12-13-12 02:50 PM - Post#1492277
I'm not giving validity to the chart just throwing out here, but I think they have put it right out there for people to see in bright colors. Cut entitlement spending already...
http://www.speaker.gov/general/spendingisthe proble...
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12-13-12 02:53 PM - Post#1492280
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Why do you hate black people, women, children, Brown people, Sr. Citizens, yellow people, handicapped, etch?
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12-13-12 02:56 PM - Post#1492283
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Just curious: is there a detailed breakdown of these so-called "entitlements"?
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12-13-12 02:57 PM - Post#1492284
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I like brightly colored charts. And balloons.
I hate no one.
Although I'm developing a serious dislike for politicians who want to give my money to someone else.
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12-13-12 04:08 PM - Post#1492299
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I like brightly colored charts. And balloons.
I hate no one.
Although I'm developing a serious dislike for politicians who want to give my money to someone else.
Half of the "freeloading" entitlements are to seniors......I tell my Grandparents every day,to get the fuck out of their wheelchairs and walkers and contribute something to society.......
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12-13-12 04:20 PM - Post#1492303
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Something tells me that information might be a bit biased...
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12-13-12 05:46 PM - Post#1492320
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I like brightly colored charts. And balloons.
I hate no one.
Although I'm developing a serious dislike for politicians who want to give my money to someone else.
Half of the "freeloading" entitlements are to seniors......I tell my Grandparents every day,to get the fuck out of their wheelchairs and walkers and contribute something to society.......
You too?
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12-13-12 06:01 PM - Post#1492325
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Except that seniors paid into these things to cover their expenses, right Baldy?
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12-13-12 06:13 PM - Post#1492328
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I like brightly colored charts. And balloons.
I hate no one.
Although I'm developing a serious dislike for politicians who want to give my money to someone else.
Half of the "freeloading" entitlements are to seniors......I tell my Grandparents every day,to get the fuck out of their wheelchairs and walkers and contribute something to society.......
I agree, we definitely should do NOTHING about spending...let's just move along as those all is well and that way we can ALL be broke one day together!
See, I can take things to the extreme too!
I don't think anyone is talking about ending entitlements Baldridge...but the fact of the matter is that we CANNOT sustain this path...something must change....and to do that, we have to be able to talk about it. I'm still ok with tax increases and entitlement reform if done together....but it doesn't seem that either side is willing to get serious about either...both will move the ball forward an inch.....repubs will close some loopholes but that's about it...and dems will reduce the rate of growth of entitlements (honey, I was supposed to get a Mercedes this year...but I'm only getting a Lexus to save money!!!), but that's about it.
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12-13-12 06:51 PM - Post#1492338
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I like brightly colored charts. And balloons.
I hate no one.
Although I'm developing a serious dislike for politicians who want to give my money to someone else.
Half of the "freeloading" entitlements are to seniors......I tell my Grandparents every day,to get the fuck out of their wheelchairs and walkers and contribute something to society.......
Clearly, you are on top of this issue!
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12-14-12 09:43 AM - Post#1492389
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Just curious: is there a detailed breakdown of these so-called "entitlements"?
According to the OMB's latest numbers Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security will make up 48% of government spending by 2020.
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12-14-12 09:52 AM - Post#1492391
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Just curious: is there a detailed breakdown of these so-called "entitlements"?
According to the OMB's latest numbers Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security will make up 48% of government spending by 2020.
When will Republicans let people retire?........
Other than retail,how many employers want people in their late 60's on the job?.......
Wouldn't increasing the SS and Medicare age increase costs for the employers?....(It costs twice as much to insure a 65 yr old as it does a 40 yr old.
Something clearly has to be done,but increasing the age requirements isn't a good idea,imo....
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12-14-12 09:56 AM - Post#1492393
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I don't know the answer to your question, Baldy, but do you think that the retirement age today should still be the same as it was in 1966?
I expect to play every day. That's our job. You go out there every day and contribute in some way.
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12-14-12 10:04 AM - Post#1492394
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The human body has limits.There are some occupations where working longer just isn't feasable.Police,construction,fire fighters,etc.......
I know a UPS driver who said the majority of drivers who retire around 60,retire with severe chronic pain......
I agree that teachers retiring before 60 is a joke.It is a strain on the pension funds and there is no reason a teacher can't work until at least 62.....
It's a tough subject and one that shouldn't be rushed through in the fisical cliff debate,imo...
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12-14-12 11:09 AM - Post#1492415
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The human body has limits.There are some occupations where working longer just isn't feasable.Police,construction,fire fighters,etc.......
I know a UPS driver who said the majority of drivers who retire around 60,retire with severe chronic pain......
I agree that teachers retiring before 60 is a joke.It is a strain on the pension funds and there is no reason a teacher can't work until at least 62.....
It's a tough subject and one that shouldn't be rushed through in the fisical cliff debate,imo...
Good points by you, i agree you but a teachers job is mentally very heavy IMO so i understand if someone fellas cant tolerate enough much but u see putting a contribution to mentally institations where doctors helping all peoples for putting their mind on good level.
Here in Finland us parliamentarians are cutting from everything service and job, but enough is enough though, and shouldnt cut off from childrens moneys and studients.
Well its not that easy a whole politic but common sense is such like which should to use every time IMO.
They are now cutting from the salaries here too but i am more a fan for paying more to poor peoples and cutting a bit from rich peoples bec some rich peoples are accepting the thing.
Its also smart to cut from they bec they has a money so so much and they wont lost their all moneys.
Taxing with high way is not good idea but they are talking about it here.
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12-14-12 11:20 AM - Post#1492422
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Baldy,
Not good points by you. There are exceptions to every rule, but most senior citizens could find a suitable job if they wanted one. Would it be as lucrative as the career that they may have held in their 30's or 40's? Maybe not, but it would help pay the bills.
I know enough retired people that sit around watching TV and reading all day that I wonder whether I could do something like that (and no, I couldn't). I would, at the very least, be out volunteering to help someone, somewhere.
It's ridiculous to suggest that the retirement age shouldn't be increased, given technology and life expectancy compared to even 20 or 30 years ago...and I say that as somone who is a far cry from retirement.
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12-14-12 11:22 AM - Post#1492424
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I do agree that this has nothing to do with the fiscal cliff crap, though. This has been an issue for 20-30 years now.
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12-14-12 11:38 AM - Post#1492429
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I would agree with PR, as usual.
Retirement is not a right, but a luxury that is attained through hard work and careful financial and retirement planning.
Unfortunately, it's even bleaker for our generation. We will carry an added responsibility, which is paying off the liabilities created by the Baby Boomers. This seems to be the problem with democracy in both of our countries. Nobody seems to understand the principles contained within a balance sheet. Our discourse has been reduced to a simple dichotomy of right wing vs. left wing and evil (those self evil rich folk) vs. the good (those who provide promises of a better future through increased spending and taxes on those evil rich folk).
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12-14-12 02:17 PM - Post#1492497
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I'll probably die typing away at my keyboard at work. And that's fine, what else would I do when I'm just an old codger?
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12-14-12 02:35 PM - Post#1492503
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have you guys seen 60 year old high school teachers? It's generally not a pretty sight.
Retirement should be a right because working for food until you die is cruel and avoidable. the trick is to find a way to make it feasible.
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