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07-17-17 12:18 PM - Post#1702035    


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Or you can grow up in the Catholic Church, drift away, search other religions and find them lacking, get married, have kids, become more active in the Catholic Church, then study everything you can get your hands on and conclude that the church you attend as a youth actually got it right.





You just told my father's story in the RC Church. I have a sneaking suspicion it may end up being mine as well (kinda hope it does).

What you are talking about is completely different to the person who never doubts anything for a second of their life. While undoubtedly there is a lot of comfort and relief in never searching or asking questions, I don't see any way its a sign of an open mind. A simple one perhaps.... not an open one.
 
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07-17-17 12:31 PM - Post#1702036    


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I hope it does too!
“The greatest thing we can do just unite and love on each other and like, no barriers, no borders, like, we all need to just co-exist.”

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07-17-17 02:45 PM - Post#1702037    


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Or you can grow up in the Catholic Church, drift away, search other religions and find them lacking, get married, have kids, become more active in the Catholic Church, then study everything you can get your hands on and conclude that the church you attend as a youth actually got it right.





As a Catholic I find this interesting. I have grown further and further away as time has gone on purely based on the behavior of the Church. Even recently, just purely disgusting behavior.


 
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07-17-17 03:21 PM - Post#1702039    


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  • Kanrok Said:
Or you can grow up in the Catholic Church, drift away, search other religions and find them lacking, get married, have kids, become more active in the Catholic Church, then study everything you can get your hands on and conclude that the church you attend as a youth actually got it right.





As a Catholic I find this interesting. I have grown further and further away as time has gone on purely based on the behavior of the Church. Even recently, just purely disgusting behavior.



I get it. Many feel the same way. I also do. I want to see anyone connected to the abuse scandal put away and the victims compensated. But I can separate what individuals do from what the Church teaches. I don't believe in protecting the wrongdoers, but I do believe in protecting those (the vast majority) who had zero to do with it.



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07-18-17 10:28 AM - Post#1702046    


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Rejecting one's religious or political views wholeheartedly and 100% isn't the standard for being open-minded. I would suggest the standard is being able to see the other side of the argument and being able to understand its merits.

I would suggest that the majority of people who have abandoned their religion did so probably because their prayers weren't being answered.

However, in all fairness, the same can be said for liberals who become conservative.



I would suggest, and I think the facts would bear this out, that maturity and wisdom drive liberals to conservatism...

-PR


 
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07-18-17 10:39 AM - Post#1702047    


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  • Canucko29 Said:
Rejecting one's religious or political views wholeheartedly and 100% isn't the standard for being open-minded. I would suggest the standard is being able to see the other side of the argument and being able to understand its merits.

I would suggest that the majority of people who have abandoned their religion did so probably because their prayers weren't being answered.

However, in all fairness, the same can be said for liberals who become conservative.



I would suggest, and I think the facts would bear this out, that maturity and wisdom drive liberals to conservatism...

-PR



"Maturity and wisdom"? I think "cynicism and bitterness" do it as well.
 
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07-18-17 11:28 AM - Post#1702048    


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  • foolish Said:
  • PuckRogue Said:
  • Canucko29 Said:
Rejecting one's religious or political views wholeheartedly and 100% isn't the standard for being open-minded. I would suggest the standard is being able to see the other side of the argument and being able to understand its merits.

I would suggest that the majority of people who have abandoned their religion did so probably because their prayers weren't being answered.

However, in all fairness, the same can be said for liberals who become conservative.



I would suggest, and I think the facts would bear this out, that maturity and wisdom drive liberals to conservatism...

-PR



"Maturity and wisdom"? I think "cynicism and bitterness" do it as well.



I actually agree with cynicism, an underrated quality, but anger? If conservatives are angry, then what the hell are liberals? Did you see conservatives make Hillary Clinton run around the perimeter of an arena with hee security detail to avoid rioters?

I would probably agree with maybe "frustrated."


 
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07-18-17 11:50 AM - Post#1702049    


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I actually agree with cynicism, an underrated quality, but anger? If conservatives are angry, then what the hell are liberals? Did you see conservatives make Hillary Clinton run around the perimeter of an arena with hee security detail to avoid rioters?

I would probably agree with maybe "frustrated."



I could defer to frustrated, but that frustration usually manifests itself in angry tirades against kids, liberals, minorities, the gov. In my mind I'm envisioning the grumpy old guy who is mad at the world and convinced he's been done wrong (rather than recognizing that his failures are his own doing).

In my experience, that old bastard is always a conservative. My in-laws have 7 total siblings in Wisconsin, 5 are general failures dependent on handouts, 2 are very successful. 5 are HUGE Trump/Walker supporters.... 2 were heavy HRC. You do the
 
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07-18-17 12:24 PM - Post#1702051    


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Or people just want to selfishly pay less taxes as they get older.


 
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07-18-17 12:26 PM - Post#1702052    


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Oh yeah, everyone I know gets MORE selfish as they get older.

(also, conservatives donate more than liberals)
 
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07-18-17 12:27 PM - Post#1702053    


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  • Canucko29 Said:


I actually agree with cynicism, an underrated quality, but anger? If conservatives are angry, then what the hell are liberals? Did you see conservatives make Hillary Clinton run around the perimeter of an arena with hee security detail to avoid rioters?

I would probably agree with maybe "frustrated."



I could defer to frustrated, but that frustration usually manifests itself in angry tirades against kids, liberals, minorities, the gov. In my mind I'm envisioning the grumpy old guy who is mad at the world and convinced he's been done wrong (rather than recognizing that his failures are his own doing).

In my experience, that old bastard is always a conservative. My in-laws have 7 total siblings in Wisconsin, 5 are general failures dependent on handouts, 2 are very successful. 5 are HUGE Trump/Walker supporters.... 2 were heavy HRC. You do the



Well then... I'm totally with. Let's work together to get rid out of handouts and put your old conservative in-laws out of their misery. You can send out the fliers and I'll do the public speaking.


 
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07-18-17 12:27 PM - Post#1702054    


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Oh yeah, everyone I know gets MORE selfish as they get older.

(also, conservatives donate more than liberals)



Tip better too.


 
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07-18-17 12:38 PM - Post#1702055    


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  • Canucko29 Said:


I actually agree with cynicism, an underrated quality, but anger? If conservatives are angry, then what the hell are liberals? Did you see conservatives make Hillary Clinton run around the perimeter of an arena with hee security detail to avoid rioters?

I would probably agree with maybe "frustrated."



I could defer to frustrated, but that frustration usually manifests itself in angry tirades against kids, liberals, minorities, the gov.



With liberals, they get frustrated with... well... everybody who doesn't agree with them, including kids, liberals, minorities and the government.


 
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07-18-17 12:51 PM - Post#1702056    


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Or people just want to selfishly pay less taxes as they get older.



You mean "keep mine" selfish over "give me yours" selfish?

Yes. Yes you do.

-PR


 
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07-18-17 12:59 PM - Post#1702058    


    In response to Canucko29

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  • foolish Said:
  • Canucko29 Said:


I actually agree with cynicism, an underrated quality, but anger? If conservatives are angry, then what the hell are liberals? Did you see conservatives make Hillary Clinton run around the perimeter of an arena with hee security detail to avoid rioters?

I would probably agree with maybe "frustrated."



I could defer to frustrated, but that frustration usually manifests itself in angry tirades against kids, liberals, minorities, the gov.



With liberals, they get frustrated with... well... everybody who doesn't agree with them, including kids, liberals, minorities and the government.



never said we were perfect....
 
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07-18-17 01:03 PM - Post#1702059    


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  • Canucko29 Said:
  • foolish Said:
  • Canucko29 Said:


I actually agree with cynicism, an underrated quality, but anger? If conservatives are angry, then what the hell are liberals? Did you see conservatives make Hillary Clinton run around the perimeter of an arena with hee security detail to avoid rioters?

I would probably agree with maybe "frustrated."



I could defer to frustrated, but that frustration usually manifests itself in angry tirades against kids, liberals, minorities, the gov. In my mind I'm envisioning the grumpy old guy who is mad at the world and convinced he's been done wrong (rather than recognizing that his failures are his own doing).

In my experience, that old bastard is always a conservative. My in-laws have 7 total siblings in Wisconsin, 5 are general failures dependent on handouts, 2 are very successful. 5 are HUGE Trump/Walker supporters.... 2 were heavy HRC. You do the



Well then... I'm totally with. Let's work together to get rid out of handouts and put your old conservative in-laws out of their misery. You can send out the fliers and I'll do the public speaking.



Ha!! My wife has an aunt who convinced the gov that she was disabled (she isn't) in 1982. Has lived off the system ever since. Lives in a 2 bedroom apt where she pays $36/month rent (utilities included) and recently convinced (brow-beat) her doctors into dual hip replacements (gov dime) b/c she saw how much attention a different lady in her building got when she got the surgery. This aunt is a life long republican and blames everything on lazy freeloading liberals. As long as the GOP is pro-life she will support any cut to welfare that they propose. Its absolutely insane.
 
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07-18-17 01:11 PM - Post#1702061    


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  • foolish Said:
  • Canucko29 Said:
  • foolish Said:
  • Canucko29 Said:


I actually agree with cynicism, an underrated quality, but anger? If conservatives are angry, then what the hell are liberals? Did you see conservatives make Hillary Clinton run around the perimeter of an arena with hee security detail to avoid rioters?

I would probably agree with maybe "frustrated."



I could defer to frustrated, but that frustration usually manifests itself in angry tirades against kids, liberals, minorities, the gov. In my mind I'm envisioning the grumpy old guy who is mad at the world and convinced he's been done wrong (rather than recognizing that his failures are his own doing).

In my experience, that old bastard is always a conservative. My in-laws have 7 total siblings in Wisconsin, 5 are general failures dependent on handouts, 2 are very successful. 5 are HUGE Trump/Walker supporters.... 2 were heavy HRC. You do the



Well then... I'm totally with. Let's work together to get rid out of handouts and put your old conservative in-laws out of their misery. You can send out the fliers and I'll do the public speaking.



Ha!! My wife has an aunt who convinced the gov that she was disabled (she isn't) in 1982. Has lived off the system ever since. Lives in a 2 bedroom apt where she pays $36/month rent (utilities included) and recently convinced (brow-beat) her doctors into dual hip replacements (gov dime) b/c she saw how much attention a different lady in her building got when she got the surgery. This aunt is a life long republican and blames everything on lazy freeloading liberals. As long as the GOP is pro-life she will support any cut to welfare that they propose. Its absolutely insane.



My mother is a moderate liberal. Raised me as a liberal. Probably the most important person to any success I've ever enjoyed, set a great example getting her law degree and passing the bar exam in '93 and is very well respected by most people who know her. So I don't hate liberals at all. I've maintained many liberal stances.

She went from far left to moderate much like Hike here did, but absolutely detests the SJW movement (I know, you aren't a fan either). I even caught her saying one day that the feminist movement is dead. This is a woman who was the president of the biggest First Nation feminist movement of our province, lol.

I guess we all have our influences.



 
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07-18-17 01:19 PM - Post#1702062    


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Really?

I don't know about what goes on in your neck of the woods, but I have clients with life long real disabilities who cannot get government assistance. Most do, but some don't. They get declined as a matter of course, and the appeals process is crazy. Maybe back in the 80's it was easier. I didn't start work in this area of the law until the mid 90's.

As for doctors getting "brow-beaten" into bilateral hip replacement surgery. Sorry, but I find that hard to believe. There has to be documented radiological proof of joint degeneration, significant pain and loss of range of motion and failure of conservative treatment protocals to qualify for hip replacement surgery. Doctors don't just take a patient's word for it.

But hey! There's always exceptions to the rule.

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07-18-17 02:06 PM - Post#1702063    


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KR - she's closer to your neck of the woods - Milwaukee WI. I shit you not about any of this. The difference between her and your clients is probably that she is wiley as a fox. And just as determined. If we could harness her drive for good she would have a nobel prize or two.

I'll ask my Father-in-law for some details, but it was presented to me that over the course of 8 or so months she complained enough to get it done.

I do know that a few months before she had the surgery she visited Oregon. She kept insisting on being wheeled around in a chair, but when she forgot, it was quite clear that her getaway sticks were still perfectly functional
 
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07-18-17 02:25 PM - Post#1702064    


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It's habit for me to question.

I'm preternaturally opposed to anecdote!
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