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09-07-17 09:19 AM - Post#1703830    


    In response to Badlands92

  • Badlands92 Said:
You're an irritating gnat, what can I say? How soon until you backtrack to "hehe, I'm just trolling".

Thousands of Americans are killed by illegals (not Dreamers) every year, yes. As of 2011, the US saw over 16,000 murders a year. It's estimated that 12% of murder sentences are handed down to illegals, and there alone you have almost 2000 murders. That number probably doesn't include DUI/vehicular homicides committed by illegals. So thousands is accurate.

You still haven't address my question. You are OK with those American lives lost for the greater good of the illegal population, yes?



Not trolling here at all. I find your statement that I'm irritating - seemingly because my opinion differs from yours - to be a very telling little nugget of info. Do you only surround yourself with opinions that are like your own? Worried that differing opinions will bruise your ego? very snowflake-ish of you!

And to your question I'm worried about all murder. Americans, mexicans, chinese, I don't really care, we all kill each other at an unacceptable rate - ALL LIVES MATTER!!!! (see what I did there?).

My turn on the questions: Please show me how dreamers killed thousands of Americans in the last year..... or even easier, please demonstrate that Dreamers commit murder at a rate higher than normal americans.
 
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09-07-17 10:31 AM - Post#1703831    


    In response to foolish

I made the claim (here and elsewhere) that Trump would back some form of amnesty.

I am sticking by that.

Especially in light of his recent sucking up to Pelosi and Schumer.

Mark my words: there will be some form of amnesty bill signed by Trump.
“The greatest thing we can do just unite and love on each other and like, no barriers, no borders, like, we all need to just co-exist.”

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09-07-17 10:45 AM - Post#1703832    


    In response to Kanrok

  • Kanrok Said:
I made the claim (here and elsewhere) that Trump would back some form of amnesty.

I am sticking by that.

Especially in light of his recent sucking up to Pelosi and Schumer.

Mark my words: there will be some form of amnesty bill signed by Trump.



Do you think it will be based in law? Or an EO-type deal like Obama did?
 
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09-07-17 10:52 AM - Post#1703833    


    In response to foolish

CACA (childish acting criminal adults) are portrayed by the left as children, when they're mostly 20-30 years old. Strike one.

They are here because their parents were criminals. Strike 2.

Their parents are abandoning them and expecting somebody else to care for them when they get deported, instead of acting like parents from the civilized world and keeping their family together.
Strike 3.

Except for the tiny # of actual children, they have all been ignoring the legal immigration process for 15-25 years. Because of 'entitled'. Strike 4.

Strikeout, thrown out of the game, and thrown out of the country.

Oh, and every country sending them ...... kicks the shit out of illegals in their countries. Strikes 5 through 10.


 
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09-07-17 11:17 AM - Post#1703834    


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They are here because their parents were criminals. Strike 2.

Their parents are abandoning them and expecting somebody else to care for them when they get deported, instead of acting like parents from the civilized world and keeping their family together.
Strike 3.

Except for the tiny # of actual children, they have all been ignoring the legal immigration process for 15-25 years. Because of 'entitled'. Strike 4.




How could you possibly hold things against a child brought into this country? I don't really give a fuck how old they are now, or whether someone jumped a fence and stabbed someone else, these were children who probably don't know anything about, or anyone in, there native country. You have no fucking heart.

DACA might have been a broken idea from day 1, but there needs to be something to let people come into the country without a professional degree or a pile of cash. I would bet that you and most of your hard right buddies come from families who could have never immigrated under today's laws.

Good for DJT for trying push for a legal framework for these people.

 
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09-07-17 12:16 PM - Post#1703837    


    In response to foolish

  • foolish Said:
  • Kanrok Said:
I made the claim (here and elsewhere) that Trump would back some form of amnesty.

I am sticking by that.

Especially in light of his recent sucking up to Pelosi and Schumer.

Mark my words: there will be some form of amnesty bill signed by Trump.



Do you think it will be based in law? Or an EO-type deal like Obama did?



My hope is that it is done constitutionally.

Meaning that it should be done through congress with the president signing the bill.

I don't support an executive order because it does not comport with the constitution.

Trump screwed up when he said that if congress doesn't act he'll revisit DACA. He's trying to play both sides of the fence and by doing so, took away a huge bargaining chip.
“The greatest thing we can do just unite and love on each other and like, no barriers, no borders, like, we all need to just co-exist.”

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09-07-17 01:31 PM - Post#1703841    


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https://bipartisanpolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/20 ...

DACA recipients are not a drain on the economy, they bolster it. You can hold them being illegal against their parents if you want, but whether they are children or teens when they come here, it makes little sense to remove them from our economy/society. Even if it were just for the humanitarian PR, one would think Trump would be on board with this. When you throw in the fact that they are a net gain economically, it's a no brainer. And Trump knows this. It's why he's letting Pelosi dictate tweets for him on the subject.

It's probably different where many of you live, but we obviously have many, many DACA recipients in our schools and workforce in California. I'm 34 and if you're my age you probably know quite a few of them, whether you know it or not. One of my very, very good friends is a DACA recipient (who is lucky enough to be on the verge of a green card next week). He has had to work incredibly hard to become a "legitimate American," went to our schools his whole life, has a good job, and pays his fair share in taxes. I'm incredibly proud of him. Anecdotes aside, I can't think of one good reason to remove them from our country, unless you like a smaller tax base, or enjoy taking people out of our country that want to live by American values and are willing to work to achieve a better life than their parents. Unless you are a cunt from TN that wants to compare them to criminal fecal matter for no apparent reason.
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09-07-17 02:00 PM - Post#1703842    


    In response to Kanrok

  • Kanrok Said:
I made the claim (here and elsewhere) that Trump would back some form of amnesty.

I am sticking by that.

Especially in light of his recent sucking up to Pelosi and Schumer.

Mark my words: there will be some form of amnesty bill signed by Trump.



Not until the 11th hour when he can "cash in" on the Hispanic vote, which...as I've repeatedly mentioned, is overwhelmingly "conservative" and would love to vote "Republican".

-PR


 
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09-07-17 02:03 PM - Post#1703843    


    In response to haymaker36

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https://bipartisanpolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/20 ...

DACA recipients are not a drain on the economy, they bolster it. You can hold them being illegal against their parents if you want, but whether they are children or teens when they come here, it makes little sense to remove them from our economy/society. Even if it were just for the humanitarian PR, one would think Trump would be on board with this. When you throw in the fact that they are a net gain economically, it's a no brainer. And Trump knows this. It's why he's letting Pelosi dictate tweets for him on the subject.

It's probably different where many of you live, but we obviously have many, many DACA recipients in our schools and workforce in California. I'm 34 and if you're my age you probably know quite a few of them, whether you know it or not. One of my very, very good friends is a DACA recipient (who is lucky enough to be on the verge of a green card next week). He has had to work incredibly hard to become a "legitimate American," went to our schools his whole life, has a good job, and pays his fair share in taxes. I'm incredibly proud of him. Anecdotes aside, I can't think of one good reason to remove them from our country, unless you like a smaller tax base, or enjoy taking people out of our country that want to live by American values and are willing to work to achieve a better life than their parents. Unless you are a cunt from TN that wants to compare them to criminal fecal matter for no apparent reason.



He's only adding Pelosi-approved Tweets because the media has been portraying this as "running kids out of the country" and the sheeple believe that garbage. Apparently, even Pelosi is over the MSM BS, or maybe she's just over having to hear it from her idiot constituents who believe the bullshit that the media is feeding them...

-PR


 
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09-07-17 02:05 PM - Post#1703844    


    In response to Kanrok

  • Kanrok Said:
  • foolish Said:
  • Kanrok Said:
I made the claim (here and elsewhere) that Trump would back some form of amnesty.

I am sticking by that.

Especially in light of his recent sucking up to Pelosi and Schumer.

Mark my words: there will be some form of amnesty bill signed by Trump.



Do you think it will be based in law? Or an EO-type deal like Obama did?



My hope is that it is done constitutionally.

Meaning that it should be done through congress with the president signing the bill.

I don't support an executive order because it does not comport with the constitution.

Trump screwed up when he said that if congress doesn't act he'll revisit DACA. He's trying to play both sides of the fence and by doing so, took away a huge bargaining chip.




If the MSM had the ability to be honest about what he was trying to do here, everyone would be holding the feet of Congress to the fire...unfortunately, that's not what happened and many Americans don't seem to be willing to take the time to read up on something enough to educate themselves...

-PR


 
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09-07-17 02:18 PM - Post#1703845    


    In response to PuckRogue

  • PuckRogue Said:


Not until the 11th hour when he can "cash in" on the Hispanic vote, which...as I've repeatedly mentioned, is overwhelmingly "conservative" and would love to vote "Republican".

-PR



Is that true? I always thought Mexicans voted overwhelmingly democrat, and Cubans voted Republican.
 
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09-07-17 02:24 PM - Post#1703846    


    In response to Marcelino Jeopardy

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  • PuckRogue Said:


Not until the 11th hour when he can "cash in" on the Hispanic vote, which...as I've repeatedly mentioned, is overwhelmingly "conservative" and would love to vote "Republican".

-PR



Is that true? I always thought Mexicans voted overwhelmingly democrat, and Cubans voted Republican.



I think PR is alluding the the very accurate fact that Mexicans by-and-large are conservative on a lot of social issues (abortion, gay stuff) and probably a lot of economic ones (they're not free spenders) but the demonization of them in recent GOP platforms pushes them to vote democrat. If the GOP could shed that image (I think its well earned, but I know most here would disagree) they'd probably pick up a LOT of those votes....
 
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09-07-17 02:58 PM - Post#1703847    


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Mexicans are almost all Catholics. Just sayin'!

-PR


 
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09-07-17 03:46 PM - Post#1703850    


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Si Senor!
 
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09-07-17 04:55 PM - Post#1703854    


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Any takers on abolishing the "automatic citizenship simply if you're born here" idea?
 
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09-07-17 05:27 PM - Post#1703858    


    In response to Pete

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Any takers on abolishing the "automatic citizenship simply if you're born here" idea?



You mean if you are born to non-citizens right?

What does that mean for someone like me - Canadian and legal, my twins are coming in 4 weeks, if my wife wasn't a citizen, are you suggesting my children would have no citizenship at birth? My wife is American, so it doesnt actually apply to me, but say she wasn't one of you. My kid would live in the USA without any citizenship at all? Or would have to apply for a visa? I don't know how much a toddler brings productivity wise......

I know Canada and the USA are the only countries with birthright citizenship. If that were to go away I don't really have a super huge problem with it.
 
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09-07-17 09:32 PM - Post#1703862    


    In response to foolish

Pete's going with two "illegal" parents, I'm sure.

In that case? I don't think the child truly has any rights to be an American. Not trying to sound cold, but that's it.

If some Germans came to the US on vacation and had their baby here, I don't think the baby is an American.

-PR


 
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09-08-17 10:05 AM - Post#1703878    


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LA, NY, and CHI... liberal hotbeds... illegal hotbeds. Who would've guessed?



According to the Washington Examiner:

The House late Wednesday voted to block federal transportation and housing funding from cities and states that choose not to cooperate with federal officials on immigration.

No worries... Cher will give you a bunk bed. LMAO!


 
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09-08-17 11:02 AM - Post#1703881    


    In response to foolish

  • foolish Said:
  • Pete Said:
Any takers on abolishing the "automatic citizenship simply if you're born here" idea?



You mean if you are born to non-citizens right?

What does that mean for someone like me - Canadian and legal, my twins are coming in 4 weeks, if my wife wasn't a citizen, are you suggesting my children would have no citizenship at birth? My wife is American, so it doesnt actually apply to me, but say she wasn't one of you. My kid would live in the USA without any citizenship at all? Or would have to apply for a visa? I don't know how much a toddler brings productivity wise......

I know Canada and the USA are the only countries with birthright citizenship. If that were to go away I don't really have a super huge problem with it.


This is a good continuation of my earlier point, which apparently enraged and saddened you.

If you and your wife are here illegally, never bother to use the proper immigration system that's sitting right there where you live for 25 years, bring kids and never bother to use the system to get them legal (and they continue to completely and totally flout the law themselves for 10-15 years), then you just leave them behind when you get bounced and blame somebody else for hating your kids, for saying they should go home with you.....

come on, this is truly a "nobody else left to blame" thing. It's just a pitiful victimology scam.

It's literally no different than not paying your taxes for 25 years and claiming that its racist and hateful for someone to bring it up. An administrative process that one is a lifelong cheater on.


 
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09-08-17 01:14 PM - Post#1703890    


    In response to NYRfan

I think you're mixing your metaphors here. My objection to your previous post was that you were counting sins of the parent against the child. Being here illegally is a civil offense, not criminal.

The criminal offense is crossing the border illegally. If someone's parents crossed illegally when the kid was 2, are you REALLY holding the 2 year old responsible for that crime? Do you really support expulsion for that child-now-adult now that they've lived here for 25 years when we offer no actual mechanism to grant the right to stay? If DJTs actions force the handoff congress and a legal mechanism is built to allow the dreamers to get real status, and they choose not to, chuck them, but to expel someone for a civil offense for which they had no reasonable recourse to avoid, is excessive. And don't give me the "they don't have rights" bullshit, you know that isn't true.

Finally, the post you quoted me in was related to birthright citizenship. Which is something I'm fine with removing. It has nothing to do with DACA.

There is nothing your ilk can do to really enrage me. Though simple minded, conservatives who think war and prisons are the answer to everything sadden me greatly.

edit: just noticed I used the f-word in my previous post a few times. Looks angry. Wasn't angry. Get your point though. Its kinda nice to have you back.

Edited by foolish on 09-08-17 01:16 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
 
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