Twist 'n Belak
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11-30-17 10:15 AM - Post#1707346
To Devils:
Sami Vatanen
Conditional 3rd round pick in 2019 or 2020 Draft
To Devils:
Adam Henrique
Joe Biandisi
2018 3rd round pick
formerly Belak_2 aka Bleka...
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Canucko29
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11-30-17 01:58 PM - Post#1707353
In response to Twist 'n Belak
Win Devils. Vatanen is a legitimate top-pairing d-man when he's allowed to be.
The Devils appear to be building a team that is the complete opposite of any team Lou Lamoriello built. All speed and offense. And they've made some nice trades (and had some luck, obviously) in the process.
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DoubleJ
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12-01-17 04:42 AM - Post#1707364
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Absolutely hate this trade. The Devils are finally back on track after years of last place showings. Now they trade away arguably their top center for a guy with declining stats the past few years. Henrique could have been a superstar if he was centering a line with capable wingers.
Devils John Madden being interviewed:
Interviewer- How does it feel to cover Gomez?
Madden- I don't know. I don't cover 3rd line centers.
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PuckRogue
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12-01-17 10:23 AM - Post#1707368
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Skilled defensemen have greater value than good centers. Henrique is a nice second line center on a contender, but Vatanen can do things not many d-men can. He’ll shine with opportunity, and I’m not much for undersized defensemen.
-PR
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Edmond Dantes
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12-01-17 01:54 PM - Post#1707375
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Credit to the Devils; they did need a top defenseman. I did like Henrique though as thought he had some intangibles. But got to give good to get good.
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Canucko29
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12-02-17 03:29 AM - Post#1707392
In response to Ching Johnson
Yes I think about it this way, they gave up Adam Larson to get the highest scoring left winger in the league and replaced Larson with a better defenseman and for a lesser forward.
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DoubleJ
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12-09-17 03:48 PM - Post#1707654
In response to Canucko29
So far, so good.
Henrique- 4 goals and 2 assists in 5 games
Vatanen- 0 points and -1 in 5 games
Devils John Madden being interviewed:
Interviewer- How does it feel to cover Gomez?
Madden- I don't know. I don't cover 3rd line centers.
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Tim-
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12-10-17 07:04 PM - Post#1707684
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Yes I think about it this way, they gave up Adam Larson to get the highest scoring left winger in the league and replaced Larson with a better defenseman and for a lesser forward.
The Devils traded Adam Larsson for Alex Ovechkin?
Or Jamie Benn?
Or Brad Marchand?
Or Johnny Gaudreau?
Or Artemi Panarin?
Or Max Pacioretty?
Or Filip Forsberg?
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Canucko29
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12-11-17 12:25 AM - Post#1707690
In response to Tim-
Yes I think about it this way, they gave up Adam Larson to get the highest scoring left winger in the league and replaced Larson with a better defenseman and for a lesser forward.
The Devils traded Adam Larsson for Alex Ovechkin?
Or Jamie Benn?
Or Brad Marchand?
Or Johnny Gaudreau?
Or Artemi Panarin?
Or Max Pacioretty?
Or Filip Forsberg?
Tim, at the time the trade was made, Taylor Hall was actually listed as the highest scoring left winger statistically since his draft year. A lot of the people that you listed there are actually listed as right-wingers. I read that from an article.
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DoubleJ
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12-16-17 06:25 AM - Post#1707891
In response to Canucko29
Vatanen-
8 games
0 points
-3
looking good...
Devils John Madden being interviewed:
Interviewer- How does it feel to cover Gomez?
Madden- I don't know. I don't cover 3rd line centers.
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PuckRogue
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DoubleJ
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12-19-17 07:15 AM - Post#1707990
In response to PuckRogue
That goal tonight...LOL
-PR
Fuck you PR! lololol
I was at the game sitting to the side of the goalie. It was in the upper deck, but it was still a nice view to watch the Henrique shorthanded breakaway, flip the puck over Vatanen, get his own pass, cross the goalie one-on-one, skate backwards, deke Schneider, and flip a backhander to the top of the net.
My friends and I were laughing our asses off.
This trade looks worse every day. Another problem I have with this trade is that Henrique is Canadian. But he is of Portuguese descent. The Devils play in what has to be the largest Portuguese area in the US. He has a big following with the locals, and they are upset he's gone. Not a smart way to build a fan base in the area your arena is in, especially since he did a lot of work in the community.
Devils John Madden being interviewed:
Interviewer- How does it feel to cover Gomez?
Madden- I don't know. I don't cover 3rd line centers.
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DoubleJ
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01-05-18 04:28 PM - Post#1708580
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Vatanen is fucking horrible. Last night he took back to back penalties. When I mean back to back, i mean he took one step out of the box, then interfered with a Star player and got another penalty. They scored on the ensuing PP. He was then responsible for not covering his man on the next two goals. He is fucking horrible.
Devils John Madden being interviewed:
Interviewer- How does it feel to cover Gomez?
Madden- I don't know. I don't cover 3rd line centers.
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Canucko29
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01-05-18 05:27 PM - Post#1708583
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Vatanen is fucking horrible. Last night he took back to back penalties. When I mean back to back, i mean he took one step out of the box, then interfered with a Star player and got another penalty. They scored on the ensuing PP. He was then responsible for not covering his man on the next two goals. He is fucking horrible.
Okay, okay, I was wrong. LOL. Quit beating me with a dunce cap!
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DoubleJ
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01-05-18 05:51 PM - Post#1708585
In response to Canucko29
He had 4 assists in the past four games before last nights meltdown, so i guess there's hope.
The thing is that watching HOF defensemen on the Devils for 20 years, I have no patience for bullshit like Vatanen. I'm obviously spoiled and haven't accepted the fact those days are over.
Devils John Madden being interviewed:
Interviewer- How does it feel to cover Gomez?
Madden- I don't know. I don't cover 3rd line centers.
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Canucko29
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01-06-18 03:31 PM - Post#1708601
In response to DoubleJ
Vatanen used to give the Canucks hell. That's one of the reasons why I thought New Jersey won this trade. I'm kind of surprised he's doing so poorly in New Jersey. I would give him time and see. It could be adjusting to the Eastern Conference style play is a learning curve.
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juha82
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01-14-18 12:19 AM - Post#1708924
In response to Canucko29
Good trade for both team.
Plus minus numbers always dont tell the truth, no way, it depends also how good is your team.
Of course we remember Rob Blake, he had some weak seasons, bec his team played weakly, once they got more better team, so his numbers were better.
Edited by juha82 on 01-14-18 12:21 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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PuckRogue
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01-14-18 08:09 AM - Post#1708937
In response to juha82
Blake was a shitty defenseman. His hockey sense and situational awareness were dogshit.
-PR
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