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Kanrok
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01-12-18 04:52 PM - Post#1708856    



Not according to this study:

Undocumented Immigrants, U.S. Citizens, and Convicted Criminals in Arizona.

https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=996103...

“Undocumented immigrants are at least 142% more likely to be convicted of a crime than other Arizonans. They also tend to commit more serious crimes and serve 10.5% longer sentences, more likely to be classified as dangerous, and 45% more likely to be gang members than U.S. citizens.”

What say you?
“The greatest thing we can do just unite and love on each other and like, no barriers, no borders, like, we all need to just co-exist.”

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PuckRogue
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01-12-18 05:01 PM - Post#1708857    


    In response to Kanrok

Link?

No, but seriously, we're just supposed to assume that his stats are accurate?

-PR


 
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01-12-18 05:02 PM - Post#1708858    


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Using newly released detailed Data, the character from Star Trek TNG, I have complied statistics that show 142% of articles on the interwebs are complete bullshit.

-PR


 
Kanrok
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01-12-18 05:13 PM - Post#1708859    


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  • PuckRogue Said:
Link?

No, but seriously, we're just supposed to assume that his stats are accurate?

-PR



You have to read the study to determine if it meets your standards.

The link works for me.

The stats are generated from Arizona prison records. Since the standard for conviction is “beyond a reasonable doubt” it is assumed the statistics are a reliable indicator - according to the study.

The study does not take into account criminal cases where the defendant does not go to prison.

Documented immigrants are much less likely to offend than undocumented immigrants - according to the study.

“The greatest thing we can do just unite and love on each other and like, no barriers, no borders, like, we all need to just co-exist.”

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01-12-18 06:03 PM - Post#1708860    


    In response to Kanrok

All you can do is look at the methods, the quality of questions and so on, and the fairness of the mixture of subjects.

Like every question regarding every study / poll ever presented, since stats were invented.

Unless your goal is to dismiss the findings, regardless of methods or quality.


 
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01-13-18 12:22 PM - Post#1708888    


    In response to NYRfan

PR has always been a bit of an II apologist because he's known some hard-working ones. I admire his consistency on the topic.

I'd say that without a doubt IIs commit more crime than native Americans (all critters & shitbags included). Considering the conditions they live in, it makes sense they'd become more desperate and mixed up in drug smuggling, robberies, fraud, etc. This shouldn't really surprise anyone.
The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword.


 
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01-13-18 01:52 PM - Post#1708892    


    In response to Badlands92

Sorry Kanny. The PDF thing didn’t show up on my phone and i can now see that the article is comprehensive.

The headline doesn’t really clarify “compared to documented aliens”, but makes perfect sense.

Just like with people who smoke weed, criminalizing people who aren’t necessarily criminals will breed criminality.

I’m sure the article makes sense. No, B92, I wasn’t apologizing for illegal aliens, I was just questioning where the stats were.

-PR


 
Pete
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01-15-18 12:33 PM - Post#1708995    


    In response to PuckRogue

Start here - "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

Now, if a prospective illegal immigrant is caught before entering the U.S., is he able to commit a crime on American soil?
 
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01-15-18 12:50 PM - Post#1708998    


    In response to Pete

I would think its likely that an illegal would avoids a lot of the menial/luxury crimes that citizens commit without thinking. I'm looking at:
- bar fights
- everything white collar
- public nuisance type stuff

bet that could explain any difference. They have more to lose so the penalties are probably more of a deterrent,,,,
 
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01-15-18 06:25 PM - Post#1709053    


    In response to foolish

Nobody's being criminalized, lol.

We are just attempting to enforce existing laws. That are being broken en masse.

That's such an odd claim.


 
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01-15-18 11:07 PM - Post#1709078    


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Huh?!??
 
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01-16-18 10:23 AM - Post#1709099    


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PR threw out the stunning phrase / concept of "criminalizing people". You know, to describe penalties for breaking laws. You just happened to get a post in between us.


 
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01-16-18 10:42 AM - Post#1709101    


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Ah, I see. Carry on.
 
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