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ChiBoyinLA
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02-14-18 06:33 PM - Post#1710404    



Another 17 dead kids.

Thoughts and prayers not enough.

Armed teachers in every classroom not a solution.

Do something else to end this madness.
"It's what you learn after you know it all that counts." -- John Wooden


 
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02-14-18 07:06 PM - Post#1710405    


    In response to ChiBoyinLA

What do you propose?
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02-14-18 07:11 PM - Post#1710406    


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Arm all the students with R-15's. Make it mandatory. This way the shooter might end up dead. Then he could not shoot any more students.

Might that work?


 
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02-14-18 07:21 PM - Post#1710407    


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Are guns more available now than they were in the past? What's the difference today compared to when my father could bring his hunting rifle to school in the 70's and put it in his locker?
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02-14-18 07:48 PM - Post#1710408    


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  • Jobu Said:
Are guns more available now than they were in the past? What's the difference today compared to when my father could bring his hunting rifle to school in the 70's and put it in his locker?



Seems to me that access to semi-automatic weapons is far more widespread these days. I think it was rare for civilians to own these 40 years ago. Today, not so much. I saw a video taken inside the school today, and while one could not see the weapon, the rapid rate at which one could hear rounds being fired, along with the death toll, strongly suggests an automatic weapon was used.

I've posted my views here regarding ideas for what to do about this situation numerous times. I'm not going to bother doing it again.
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02-14-18 08:02 PM - Post#1710409    


    In response to ChiBoyinLA

It's madness. There is no other way to describe it. We have to view public places, including schools differently. Metal detectors, armed guards, etc....

It's ashame we will "lose" some freedom but at some point we have to do something. This isn't normal or acceptable....
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02-14-18 08:16 PM - Post#1710410    


    In response to ChiBoyinLA

Interestingly, the frequency of mass shootings has remained fairly stable since the 70’s.

They have been getting deadlier though.

We can’t point to emergency care being deficient.

Generally speaking the availability of top notch paramedic care is greater now than in the 80’s and the 90’s.

Is it that the shooters are more accurate? Or is it that they have better firepower? Could be.

As for the cause of mass shootings, I would look to how often the shooters were prescribed anti-depressants and ADHD drugs.

There appears to be a correlation there.

Is the rise in social media a potential cause?

As for school safety, I can think of a few cost effective ways to address the issue. None are failsafe though.

If you want to protect students you need to find out ways to reduce the response time for these incidents.

Having trained, armed guards posted at schools is an option.

Retired military and police would be an option.

Addressing ways to make the schools safer is another.

Containing the shooter once the shooting starts seems intuitive.

Security doors at intervals that constrict movement within the school is doable.

I understand the shooter in Florida pulled the fire alarm to assure that there would be many targets.

Pure evil is hard to understand.
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02-14-18 08:33 PM - Post#1710411    


    In response to Jobu

  • Jobu Said:
Are guns more available now than they were in the past? What's the difference today compared to when my father could bring his hunting rifle to school in the 70's and put it in his locker?


It's now easier to find out how to easily acquire legal guns combined with more fucked up people doing this.


 
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02-14-18 08:55 PM - Post#1710413    


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Fix society
Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves.

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02-14-18 09:33 PM - Post#1710414    


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  • Kanrok Said:
Interestingly, the frequency of mass shootings has remained fairly stable since the 70’s.

They have been getting deadlier though.

We can’t point to emergency care being deficient.

Generally speaking the availability of top notch paramedic care is greater now than in the 80’s and the 90’s.

Is it that the shooters are more accurate? Or is it that they have better firepower? Could be.

As for the cause of mass shootings, I would look to how often the shooters were prescribed anti-depressants and ADHD drugs.

There appears to be a correlation there.

Is the rise in social media a potential cause?

As for school safety, I can think of a few cost effective ways to address the issue. None are failsafe though.

If you want to protect students you need to find out ways to reduce the response time for these incidents.

Having trained, armed guards posted at schools is an option.

Retired military and police would be an option.

Addressing ways to make the schools safer is another.

Containing the shooter once the shooting starts seems intuitive.

Security doors at intervals that constrict movement within the school is doable.

I understand the shooter in Florida pulled the fire alarm to assure that there would be many targets.

Pure evil is hard to understand.



Good post.

Living outside of the USA it's hard for me to imagine these incidents on a regular basis. A sports announcer today said on average this year there is a mass shooting every three days. I don't know if this is true but the numbers are staggering.

Is the pharma meds and the availability of automatic weapons is the cause? That'd be my guess. Video games depicting the ability to kill in mass amounts may also contribute. Whatever the cause, it is another sad day in the USA.

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02-15-18 03:56 AM - Post#1710417    


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You Yanks just don't get it.

You'll never learn.
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02-15-18 07:41 AM - Post#1710418    


    In response to Brawls16

The people who demand change in terms of gun control have zero understanding of the numbers and just buy into the mantra.
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02-15-18 09:32 AM - Post#1710419    


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But if there were no AR-15's would yesterdays event still have occurred? Would he instead have chosen to drive a car into the school at high speed to accomplish his "goal"?

What is with all the hi-powered weapons anyway? Do people just like to kill, so the supply is simply to meet the demand for that? Or just a majorly flawed insurance protection policy?

Or is it a 'build it and they will come' mentality?

I realize a high-powered weapon, in and of itself, is harmless. It just lies there. But folks who have a strong potential to harm (anger/mental issues) have too easy an access to them. Handguns in every home, fine. And use sparingly.

I realize more people die in car accidents caused by drunk driving/texting etc per annum than by guns. That could be fixed as well.

Maybe JU is right. Fix society





Edited by Beagle on 02-15-18 09:33 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
 
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02-15-18 09:49 AM - Post#1710420    


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Excluding the truly evil - Gacy, Speck, Manson etc,
I think there's a couple of generations that have serious empathy and coping problems that are directly driven by society and parenting. While it doesnt manifest itself in terms of making everyone in those generations a homicidal threat, it does plant the seeds and allows the weaker to act out in a devastating manner.
Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves.

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02-15-18 10:06 AM - Post#1710424    


    In response to Johnny_Upton

Another one of these assholes the FBI was allegedly aware of for some time.

How much longer till they actually do something pre-emptive to one of these people, BEFORE they decide to shoot up a school?
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02-15-18 10:07 AM - Post#1710425    


    In response to ChiBoyinLA

  • ChiBoyinLA Said:
  • Jobu Said:
Are guns more available now than they were in the past? What's the difference today compared to when my father could bring his hunting rifle to school in the 70's and put it in his locker?



Seems to me that access to semi-automatic weapons is far more widespread these days. I think it was rare for civilians to own these 40 years ago. Today, not so much. I saw a video taken inside the school today, and while one could not see the weapon, the rapid rate at which one could hear rounds being fired, along with the death toll, strongly suggests an automatic weapon was used.

I've posted my views here regarding ideas for what to do about this situation numerous times. I'm not going to bother doing it again.


The .22 that most boys brought to school and put in their lockers, as mentioned in Jobu's post, was / is a semi-automatic.

There are no automatic weapons in any of these shootings.

Let's not get bogged down in the "scary labels" as always. That shit's kinda old. It's annoying and puts your credibility down to zero.

The AR-15 (.223) is more powerful than the traditional .22, but an old .22 rifle will kill you just as dead.

So you could take these kids' .22's from 1950 and do the same mass shooting in a classroom.

That's the real problem - dopey, dishonest, drivel about what really happened.

This kid did not find a magic killing machine under a rock becuz Trump.

He was probably in trouble at school for 15 years, bullied at this school, kicked out of the school, and sat around for a year or two with no parental love or mental health help. And nobody bothered to care about his violent fantasies on social media.

All things that should be fixed before strange drivel about guns.


 
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02-15-18 10:14 AM - Post#1710426    


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  • KyleFreadrich43 Said:
Another one of these assholes the FBI was allegedly aware of for some time.

How much longer till they actually do something pre-emptive to one of these people, BEFORE they decide to shoot up a school?


I'm starting to wonder if they let some of these go to fruition just to take the heat off themselves (current situation), or to gain traction in certain agendas (gun control, surveillance, etc.).

Seeing what they've been doing in the last 9 years..... makes this absolutely not a stretch.

This and plane crashes. The russian one recently - how convenient that principals in some of the recent scandals were on there.


 
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02-15-18 10:19 AM - Post#1710428    


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You Yanks just don't get it.

You'll never learn.


Enjoy your limited-speech rights and free-speech zones.

When the jihad gets to your door, don't call the yanks, we'll be busy.

Get working on those active shooter strategies -

run
hide
cry
shit pants
roll in it


 
Marcelino Jeopardy
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02-15-18 11:38 AM - Post#1710431    


    In response to NYRfan

What's a bigger cliche at this point: sending thoughts and prayers to the victims, or getting all pissed off about people sending thoughts and prayers?
 
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02-15-18 12:09 PM - Post#1710435    


    In response to Marcelino Jeopardy

Seems like there were plenty of red flags all over this one. Why no proactive measures to confront the shooter before he took action?

If there are threats or suggestions that are strong enough to get the attention of the FBI, wouldn't that satisfy probably cause for local law enforcement to intervene?

Or maybe politicizing these episodes part of the plan/problem?
 
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